Arma 1/48 announcement at Babaryba

[Sabrejet]

2 hours ago, hopkp said:

Sorry, but I don’t really buy any of that, so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. There are plenty of movies about post-WWII conflicts and many reference books dealing with post-WWII military aircraft (I know this for sure because my bookshelves are full of them). As for "enormous technical progress", the period between the 1950s and the 1980s saw developments in aviation technology that were arguably just as significant as those that occurred during WWII (perhaps even more so) and your comment about "an enormous variety in types, countries involved, theatres of operations, markings and so on" could in my view be applied just as easily to the years between 1950 and 1990. Just take helicopters as an example - as far as I'm aware, they were practically non-existent in an operational context in 1945, but within a few years were in widespread use worldwide and still are right up to the present day. However, relatively few kits of most of these machines done to current standards are available - though in fairness ICM looks like changing that, how long have we been waiting for a decent H-60 series in 1/48? The phrase "enormous variety...countries involved, theatres of operations, markings and so on" could have been tailor-made for the H-60!

 

I have the 1/48 Brengun K-Max and it's a beauty!

 

But on the 'other' subject, I have to agree: the constant calls for kits which already exist (or can be made from existing kits with little effort) shows a real lack of imagination on the part of buyer and seller. Yes it's a business, blah blah blah. Same old stuff gets repeated but we never move on.

 

So I really hope it's something genuinely original and unusual, not just more of the same......

 

But I will be wrong, sadly.

[Missick]

I really hope for a new tool Bf109... any type 

 

Jokes aside, It will be something cool (190D-9).

[Tbolt]

2 hours ago, Rulaman said:

 

I would prefer a P-36 Hawk/Hawk 75/Mohawk. Many, many different boxings, versions possible. Cheers. Frank

 

I wouldn't, since Clear Prop! have done a very nice Hawk 75 already, I would rather they just continue to do they rest of the family.

[Tbolt]

43 minutes ago, Missick said:

Jokes aside, It will be something cool (190D-9).

 

That's not a US fighter though.

[Tbolt]

1 hour ago, Sabrejet said:

 

I have the 1/48 Brengun K-Max and it's a beauty!

 

But on the 'other' subject, I have to agree: the constant calls for kits which already exist (or can be made from existing kits with little effort) shows a real lack of imagination on the part of buyer and seller. Yes it's a business, blah blah blah. Same old stuff gets repeated but we never move on.

 

So I really hope it's something genuinely original and unusual, not just more of the same......

 

But I will be wrong, sadly.

 

There's plenty of WWII aircraft I would love to see accurate kits of, but I know manufacturers like Arma Hobby are very likely to kit them, certainly not at the moment anyway as such a young company since probably something like 80% of model buyers have probably never even heard of those aircraft as they are just casual modellers who don't have a huge interest in aviation like us. But even on here you only have to look at the threads when a new kit is announced to see how much more popular a well kitted type is ( even if a number of those posts are, "do we really need another..." ! ).

 

Even very popular types such as the Spitfire have the less popular versions missing - I would love some nice PR Spits but since manufacturers know they would sell far less than the popular types, they seem to stay away from them on the whole.

 

At least we have companies such as Dora Wings which are helping to fill some of those gaps. I'm still waiting for a nice IK-3 though...

[TheKinksFan]

6 minutes ago, Tbolt said:

80% of model buyers have probably never even heard of those aircraft as they are just casual modellers who don't have a huge interest in aviation like us

Very true, and one thing to consider is that even most hard core modellers would hardly buy several boxes of an esoteric subject. It's really so simple, so I don't understand the complaints that inevitably start when a company like Arma Hobby or Eduard announce a new kit. Simply put it would be lunacy to release something that is not popular enough. There are other companies, like Dora Wings that you mentioned for those subjects. 

[zigster]

I'm still with a bunch of guys, who would like to see a a PROPER Allison Mustang.

With slab sides on engine sides and so on, so on...

Zig

 

[Ed Russell]

8 hours ago, hopkp said:

why people keep buying them

It is a circular argument but people buy them because they are popular and they are popular because people buy them. It sounds a bit ridiculous but it makes sense. The majority of modellers are more interested in WW2 than 1950-90 so they are better catered for. Market forces at work. Similarly modern aircraft are more popular than 1950-90. You are in a minority group, just like the WW1 enthusiasts. I am not saying it's good or bad - it just is.

[Piotr Mikolajski]

7 hours ago, hopkp said:

Sorry, but I don’t really buy any of that

 

You wanted an explanation of the popularity of World War II, you got one. You may not agree with that explanation and you may not want to acknowledge it, but that's irrelevant.

 

Even your own comment shows that to match the 1939-1945 period, you have to take into account the 1950-1990 period, which is as much as 40 years. For the average modeller, WWII is more interesting in every way and that will not change, whether you accept it or not.

I leave aside the question of historical knowledge, because I'm afraid that a great part of the public doesn't really have any idea about Cold War conflicts. How many people on the street will correctly answer what the Confrontation was, when it took place and who took part? How many people will name the countries involved in the Vietnam War? Ask about the Bush War, you will get a question in response about which Bush you are asking about. Mau-Mau? Suez? Dhofar? Ogaden? These sound like exotic curses.

 

The manufacturers know this very well, which is why you'll see bunch of new WWII-related new releases and that's why I have been waiting decades for a new Javelin or Canuck. Fortunately I will be able to buy new Sabres from ClearProp as 1/72 ones are already announced. And perhaps the companies making the short-run kits will also make the other two types.

[Tomas Enerdal]

Why not a Hayate?

[TheKinksFan]

2 minutes ago, Tomas Enerdal said:

Why not a Hayate?

"classic US World War II fighter in 1/48 scale"

[tony.t]

14 hours ago, hopkp said:

I keep hoping that this is the case, but somehow most kit manufacturers still seem unable to look beyond 1939-1945 for their subjects. I really don't understand the ongoing fixation on that period.....

 

Me too. Though I am just about to buy a Kotare 1:32 Spitfire

 

13 hours ago, Piotr Mikolajski said:

 

This 'ongoing fixation' is better known as 'return on investment'.

 

Or just brainwashing as WW2's mostly all you see in the model shop, magazines and on-line. It saves us Cold War jet fans so much money! 

 

12 hours ago, hopkp said:

I should perhaps have been more specific. I understand why kit manufacturers would keep doing the same WWII subjects as long as they keep selling well. What I really don't understand is why people keep buying them.....though I'm fully aware I'm in a very small minority in that regard.

 

Because the violent box art sells. It's a self-perpetuating thing. It also doesn't help that propeller warbirds are quite abundant whereas Cold War jets just end up as static exhibits for the most part, many left to corrode like old cars out in the open.  

 

11 hours ago, Piotr Mikolajski said:

 

It's simple - we have the most books, games and movies about the Second World War, plus there are also the most sources for modellers for equipment from this period. On top of that, it is a period of enormous variety in types, countries involved, theatres of operations, markings and so on. Last but not least, it is a period of enormous technological progress. The air force in 1939 still has canvas-covered biplanes armed with a single machine gun. The air force in 1945 is equipped with all-metal jet aircraft armed with missiles.

 

People entering the hobby, returning to it or changing their object of interest, will primarily want to buy a Spitfire, Mustang, Messerschmitt or Zero, not a Sabre, Javelin, Ouragan or Canuck. This, I am afraid, is inevitable.

 

What a specious argument comparing the popular Spitfire, Pony or Zero to the obscure Javelin, Ouragon or Canuck. What about comparing the WW2 propeller fighters to a Phantom II, Fishbed and Thunderchief? Slap some Yom Kippur or Vietnam violence on the box and they'll sell like hotcakes.

 

I do wish Arma well and wish them success. 

 

Tony

 

[SprueMan]

I hope its not a P-51

There have been various rumours of Arma doing one and also some of the comments from Eduard point to them wanting to "beat Arma" with their recent P-51

I am sure an Arma Mustang would be better, but Eduard would probably sell more due to distribution and lower price.

 

The P-39 from Eduard may also be "old" but it's still "good enough" to not warrant a new model by any manufacturer. Though I do not have that model, the Hellcat is also in that category.

The Wildcat was also just made by Tamiya so I think its not one of those.

 

A P-38 would be nice, I think that has not been done recently (?) EDIT: I see the Tamiya P-38 is a recent model, so that will also not make sense.

 

I have to join the train of people who complain about too many WWII topics though. The WWII on the Western European front is over saturated with models and the "lesser" wars and fronts are too neglected.

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[TheKinksFan]

This thread is starting to get off-topic. Arma Hobby has said that the new 1/48 kit will be a US WW2 fighter. That's their decision, so end of story. If there is a thread about a cold war or modern jet release from some manufacturer, I definitely don't waste my time expressing my disappointment why another jet will be released, that would be totally pointless.

 

I'll add just this: it seems to me that many don't totally grasp the historical importance of the second World War, and it's impact. It's the biggest man made catastrophe of all time. Just the sheer scale of it, in terms of numbers, is mind boggling. Just think about the size of the WW2 air forces, and contrast that to the the later numbers. There has never been such a total war, and I definitely wish there never will be again. So it is no wonder it has left so strong an imprint, even on the minds of people who have been been born decades after the war ended. Most of us have some kind of connection to that conflict, so it is no wonder that it is something that we find interesting and even fascinating.

[IT_Man]

I think it will be something they've already done, which then narrows to Wildcat, Mustang and Airacobra.

 

The former two are very recently done by Eduard, so my logic is Airacobra!

 

Who knows anyway 🤷 

[Tbolt]

58 minutes ago, SprueMan said:

I hope its not a P-51

There have been various rumours of Arma doing one and also some of the comments from Eduard point to them wanting to "beat Arma" with their recent P-51

I am sure an Arma Mustang would be better, but Eduard would probably sell more due to distribution and lower price.

 

The P-39 from Eduard may also be "old" but it's still "good enough" to not warrant a new model by any manufacturer. Though I do not have that model, the Hellcat is also in that category.

The Wildcat was also just made by Tamiya so I think its not one of those.

 

A P-38 would be nice, I think that has not been done recently (?) EDIT: I see the Tamiya P-38 is a recent model, so that will also not make sense.

 

I have to join the train of people who complain about too many WWII topics though. The WWII on the Western European front is over saturated with models and the "lesser" wars and fronts are too neglected.

 

I disagree that the Eduard P-39 is "good enough". The Hasegawa one on the other hand is very nice. 

 

 

[Tbolt]

39 minutes ago, TheKinksFan said:

This thread is starting to get off-topic. Arma Hobby has said that the new 1/48 kit will be a US WW2 fighter. That's their decision, so end of story. If there is a thread about a cold war or modern jet release from some manufacturer, I definitely don't waste my time expressing my disappointment why another jet will be released, that would be totally pointless.

 

I'll add just this: it seems to me that many don't totally grasp the historical importance of the second World War, and it's impact. It's the biggest man made catastrophe of all time. Just the sheer scale of it, in terms of numbers, is mind boggling. Just think about the size of the WW2 air forces, and contrast that to the the later numbers. There has never been such a total war, and I definitely wish there never will be again. So it is no wonder it has left so strong an imprint, even on the minds of people who have been been born decades after the war ended. Most of us have some kind of connection to that conflict, so it is no wonder that it is something that we find interesting and even fascinating.

 

Exactly, I don't see what's so hard to understand about it. People are more fascinated about WWII than any other conflict when it comes to aircraft, so it no wonder that's where most of the money is when it comes to models.

[Tbolt]

Maybe Arma are being a bit sneaky saying WWII and it's a P-80!

[Denford]

I'll hopefully go back to the main thread !

What is Babaryba.  A google search (for me at least) didn't bring up much. A date early June but not much more.

Is it a Trade Fair, an Exhibition, or something else.  Who will be there and anything else that might be of interest.

[invader696]

13 minutes ago, Denford said:

I'll hopefully go back to the main thread !

What is Babaryba.  A google search (for me at least) didn't bring up much. A date early June but not much more.

Is it a Trade Fair, an Exhibition, or something else.  Who will be there and anything else that might be of interest.

I had the same question! Googling turned up an IPMS show in Warsaw on June 1-2.

[Mike]

Can everyone just read the first post and stop wishlisting outside the information already given please?  That's 'US WWII fighter' if you're that lazy.  Also, can we knock the "but y tho" about why WWII is more popular than other eras.  Start another thread in the relevant area if you like, but it'll probably end up in a circular argument like this one, or a dose of handbags at dawn if you're unlucky.

 

If I were a gambling man, I'd put a few pennies on a P-39, but I'm not, so I won't We could always wait a week or so and find out for realisies though?  Just a suggestion

[VMA131Marine]

12 hours ago, Rulaman said:

 

I would prefer a P-36 Hawk/Hawk 75/Mohawk. Many, many different boxings, versions possible. Cheers. Frank

I could see them doing this in 1/72, although ClearProp has a head start already having done some of the fixed gear export versions.

[dnl42]

Arma's marketeering has clearly been successful, at least here on BM!

[IanC]

To me, 'classic WW2 US fighter' means Wildcat, Hellcat, Corsair, Warhawk or Mustang.

 

My money's on the Corsair. 

 

Edit: and Thunderbolt, of course...

[vppelt68]

15 hours ago, hopkp said:

Sorry, but I don’t really buy any of that, so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. There are plenty of movies about post-WWII conflicts and many reference books dealing with post-WWII military aircraft (I know this for sure because my bookshelves are full of them). As for "enormous technical progress", the period between the 1950s and the 1980s saw developments in aviation technology that were arguably just as significant as those that occurred during WWII (perhaps even more so) and your comment about "an enormous variety in types, countries involved, theatres of operations, markings and so on" could in my view be applied just as easily to the years between 1950 and 1990. Just take helicopters as an example - as far as I'm aware, they were practically non-existent in an operational context in 1945, but within a few years were in widespread use worldwide and still are right up to the present day. However, relatively few kits of most of these machines done to current standards are available - though in fairness ICM looks like changing that, how long have we been waiting for a decent H-60 series in 1/48? The phrase "enormous variety...countries involved, theatres of operations, markings and so on" could have been tailor-made for the H-60!

Anything past 1945 is just feckin' boring in my opinion, and thousands of others think that way too. But we, the WW2 modellers never question why some other modellers don't agree with us, like you jetsters often see reason to do. You act like you were vegans trying to convert non-vegans 

V-P