Hawker Hurricane Mk IIc 1/48 Arma Hobby

[SleeperService]

On 7/13/2023 at 2:34 PM, VMA131Marine said:

Well, Airfix is a Mk.I and this is a Mk.II so they actually complement each other.

Err... not quite. The Airfix Mk.I is too long in the rear fuselage so will look odd if displayed with an accurate Mk.II. @Troy Smith has come up with a couple of solutions for the Airfix offering which will make things much better.

[alt-92]

There is that thing of becoming too.... 'focused' shall we say; and risking never finishing a build, or even starting a build in the first place.

[gunzo]

5 hours ago, alt-92 said:

There is that thing of becoming too.... 'focused' shall we say;

As a rare contributor I have to say that I would rather have the option to reduce a model's level of detail than to add to its absence'

[dreamwriter]

Looks like a lovely kit and long time coming but, 50€ plus shipping is expensive, specially if compared to Eduard or similar 1/48 kits.

[Bozothenutter]

14 hours ago, alt-92 said:

There is that thing of becoming too.... 'focused' shall we say; and risking never finishing a build, or even starting a build in the first place.

🙋🏾‍♂️

[Tbolt]

22 hours ago, SleeperService said:

Err... not quite. The Airfix Mk.I is too long in the rear fuselage so will look odd if displayed with an accurate Mk.II. @Troy Smith has come up with a couple of solutions for the Airfix offering which will make things much better.

 

I make the Airfix approximately 1.2mm longer than the Arma kit measuring back from the panel line at the front of the cockpit. I'm not sure anyone is going to notice that as odd ( unless maybe it was all in one place and threw something out of line in relation too something else ).

[SleeperService]

23 minutes ago, Tbolt said:

 

I make the Airfix approximately 1.2mm longer than the Arma kit measuring back from the panel line at the front of the cockpit. I'm not sure anyone is going to notice that as odd ( unless maybe it was all in one place and threw something out of line in relation too something else ).

My Arma kit is on the way and I have the Airfix one ready. The main hurdle seems to me to be the profile of the top rear fuselage but we shall see. I'm completely with you on whether it will be a major or minor issue, isn't this hobby great.... 

[Tomas Enerdal]

The different reactions to the surface details just underlines that as modellers we all differ in taste and preferences. A difference that must always be respected. Thanks Tbolt for the great pics of the sprues, such pics help us make up our minds. 
I find the glass fibre brush so very useful for several reasons. By adjusting the open length of the bristles, it can be used just for cleaning or as a delicate sander or anything in between. I often end any modelling moment with a quick swipe of the brush, to get a clean and even surface. The resulting fine and matt surface doesn’t even need a primer. 

[dragonlanceHR]

On 7/22/2023 at 9:29 AM, dreamwriter said:

Looks like a lovely kit and long time coming but, 50€ plus shipping is expensive, specially if compared to Eduard or similar 1/48 kits.

It's 35-40 eur + shipping for a basic kit at other places which is the same as the latest Eduard offerings.

[SleeperService]

10 hours ago, Tomas Enerdal said:

The different reactions to the surface details just underlines that as modellers we all differ in taste and preferences. A difference that must always be respected. Thanks Tbolt for the great pics of the sprues, such pics help us make up our minds. 
I find the glass fibre brush so very useful for several reasons. By adjusting the open length of the bristles, it can be used just for cleaning or as a delicate sander or anything in between. I often end any modelling moment with a quick swipe of the brush, to get a clean and even surface. The resulting fine and matt surface doesn’t even need a primer. 

And for others: Be very aware of the health issues tiny bits of fibre glass in the air can cause. It's very nasty stuff so use with great care. It makes resin dust seem healthy.

[dreamwriter]

11 hours ago, dragonlanceHR said:

It's 35-40 eur + shipping for a basic kit at other places which is the same as the latest Eduard offerings.

Sorry to disagree but you are wrong. If you check scalemates page for Arma Hobby's Hurricane and check the prices on several EU shops, you'll see that there's not a single shop selling it under 40€ and many sell it above 50€. Eduard Profipack releases and be bought for around 30-35€ and include the usual PE set,something that Arma's Hurricane does not. 

[Ed Russell]

For our Australian customers - the kit should include decals for several aircraft of 451 Sqn. It was an Article XV unit that used MkIIc Hurricanes in 1943 in the North African campaign.

[Ray_W]

5 hours ago, Ed Russell said:

For our Australian customers - the kit should include decals for several aircraft of 451 Sqn. It was an Article XV unit that used MkIIc Hurricanes in 1943 in the North African campaign.

 

Hi Ed, tell me more. Is Red Roo offering a special boxing or is it a wish? I have the kit and love it and will be buying another maybe a third. Of these, one will have to be 451 Squadron subject. 

 

6 hours ago, dreamwriter said:

you'll see that there's not a single shop selling it under 40€

 

As to price, a tad over 40 EUR from Arma for a subject that I really like is good value for me. And, the kit does look exceptional in the box. I have plenty of harness options so that is not an issue and I do like getting resin exhausts in the kit. 

 

 

Surface finish? Well, "In the flesh" the kit looks just right to me. Photos do not do it justice. 

 

 

 

 

Of course this gets down to personal taste, but, in my view don't sand it and avoid smothering it in a single colour wash. It will provide an excellent canvas for really working with your finishing techniques such as oil pant rendering and targeted pin wash and colour variation. The subtlety in the surface textures should provide an excellent basis for you to achieve a finish that should make this one look very realistic.

 

Hopefully the fit is also excellent and no significant dimensional or detail errors. Are their any?

 

Not much time at the modelling bench over the last few months due to work and travel commitments, but this one is worthy of an immediate WIP.  Clear the bench. 

 

Ray

[Ed Russell]

14 minutes ago, Ray_W said:

tell me more. Is Red Roo offering a special boxing

Yes indeed, that is the plan.

[dragonlanceHR]

13 hours ago, dreamwriter said:

Sorry to disagree but you are wrong. If you check scalemates page for Arma Hobby's Hurricane and check the prices on several EU shops, you'll see that there's not a single shop selling it under 40€ and many sell it above 50€. Eduard Profipack releases and be bought for around 30-35€ and include the usual PE set,something that Arma's Hurricane does not. 

I litterally got two for 35eur each through a registered customer joint order with free shipping for orders over 130 eur. Scalemates is not everything. Most EU shops have some sort of discount scheme for registered/regular customers. As for Eduard kits, their PE is meh and their new decals are grainy meh to the ninth power requiring purchase of masks or aftermarket decals. IMO Arma Hurri is a steal for what you get in the box.

[dreamwriter]

On 7/25/2023 at 11:26 AM, dragonlanceHR said:

I litterally got two for 35eur each through a registered customer joint order with free shipping for orders over 130 eur. Scalemates is not everything. Most EU shops have some sort of discount scheme for registered/regular customers. As for Eduard kits, their PE is meh and their new decals are grainy meh to the ninth power requiring purchase of masks or aftermarket decals. IMO Arma Hurri is a steal for what you get in the box.

Joint orders is something not everyone can do and most modellers do their own kit purchases, having to pay shipping etc etc. As for discounts for registered customers, I´m registered on several UK and EU shops and so far I haven´t found the kit under 40 plus euros. As for the comparison with Eduard kits, quality aside, there´s still more stuff inside their boxes than on the Arma kits.

[RayB24]

37 minutes ago, dreamwriter said:

Joint orders is something not everyone can do and most modellers do their own kit purchases, having to pay shipping etc etc. As for discounts for registered customers, I´m registered on several UK and EU shops and so far I haven´t found the kit under 40 plus euros. As for the comparison with Eduard kits, quality aside, there´s still more stuff inside their boxes than on the Arma kits.

Of course you can do what I did, which was to order multiple models. Saves big time on shipping. To me its not more expensive than the eduard zero when ordered that way. As to number of parts, if you dont use all the PE and optional parts, whats the differnce.   To me the model is a decent price for what you get. 

 

[VMA131Marine]

On 7/24/2023 at 4:36 PM, dreamwriter said:

Sorry to disagree but you are wrong. If you check scalemates page for Arma Hobby's Hurricane and check the prices on several EU shops, you'll see that there's not a single shop selling it under 40€ and many sell it above 50€. Eduard Profipack releases and be bought for around 30-35€ and include the usual PE set,something that Arma's Hurricane does not. 

https://www.modelsforsale.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1051798&Arma-Hobby-1/48-40004-Hurricane-Mk-II-c

[Tbolt]

6 hours ago, RayB24 said:

Of course you can do what I did, which was to order multiple models. Saves big time on shipping. To me its not more expensive than the eduard zero when ordered that way. As to number of parts, if you dont use all the PE and optional parts, whats the differnce.   To me the model is a decent price for what you get. 

 

 

Eveytime people talk about kit prices they always seem to compare them to Eduard. Eduard always seem to keep their prices of kits low, probably due to the fact that they  mold their own kits, print their own decals, make their own masks ( maybe they even print their own box and instructions I don't know ) and probably other things which effect their overheads and allow them to keep their costs down.

 

This causes many  people to think companies like Arma are some how ripping people off, when other than the design of the kit, they have to get other companies to do everything else which obviously increase costs and is reflected in the final cost to the customers.

 

Bottom line is if you want a high quality, modern tooled Hurricane Mk.II since Eduard don't do one, then this is your only option and even at the retail price of £45, for what you are actually getting isn't that high a price.

[hendie]

A question for @Troy Smith...

 

Decals/markings aside, Is it possible to build a 28 Sqn Tac-R iic from this boxing or would I have to wait for the tropical version?

[Troy Smith]

13 minutes ago, hendie said:

Decals/markings aside, Is it possible to build a 28 Sqn Tac-R iic from this boxing or would I have to wait for the tropical version?

The kit has all the trop parts.

I have been being questioned by @Ed Russell on Hurricane details and while I have seen the kit up close once, at model club night, I did find the instructions online.  It is very comprehensive in the options.  What is less clear is what the options actually are,  they say what parts for what markings in the kit, but that is less useful for  those wishing to branch out into their own markings.

Some of the optional parts. specifically spinners, cannon barrels and gun camera, are refer to reference photo, otherwise, best guess.

This is going to cause questions and confusion, so I will do a separate thread on this.

 

BUT, for a TacR, you wil ned to study, and modify for the camera ports, and this is not well documented.   Do you have a reference image?  That may help.

 

Note, the Trop kit is due soon, August I think,  and maybe worth waiting for simply as it will give you the SEAC roundels.

 

If you wish, start a thread in the WWII section, tag me, and I can add some relevant information, for you and others.

 

cheers

T

[hendie]

Thanks Troy.  I'll start digging out my references and get a thread started soon.

 

I wasn't aware there was a tropical version coming out soon until recently, which is why I purchased the current release.  Had I known I would probably have held off.  I may contact Arma and see if I can purchase just the decal sheet for the tropical version

[Tbolt]

4 minutes ago, hendie said:

Thanks Troy.  I'll start digging out my references and get a thread started soon.

 

I wasn't aware there was a tropical version coming out soon until recently, which is why I purchased the current release.  Had I known I would probably have held off.  I may contact Arma and see if I can purchase just the decal sheet for the tropical version

 

Yes it seems like they did a fairly short run of the first boxing, which sold out very quickly and I like you was surprised how quickly they are issuing the Trop boxing. Oh well a good excuse to get another one!

[dreamwriter]

12 hours ago, VMA131Marine said:

https://www.modelsforsale.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1051798&Arma-Hobby-1/48-40004-Hurricane-Mk-II-c

That's 40,99£ plus shipping. 48€. A good example of what I wrote.

[dreamwriter]

15 hours ago, RayB24 said:

Of course you can do what I did, which was to order multiple models. Saves big time on shipping. To me its not more expensive than the eduard zero when ordered that way. As to number of parts, if you dont use all the PE and optional parts, whats the differnce.   To me the model is a decent price for what you get. 

 

Good for you that you can do that. I, and probably many others, can't afford to buy more than one model at a time, and so, placing an order up to the value needed to get free shipping is not possible. As for the contents of the box, I'm sure one can built Arma's Hurricane OOB of course but, almost everyone likes to use some sort of extras on, for example, the cockpit. And that means having to get it extra because its not included in the box. I'm not saying the kit is crazy expensive, I'm just saying,in my opinion, its a bit expensive considering what's in the box. Its not just this one that I find expensive. There are other models I woiuld like to get but prices are just over my usual budget for models, like for example, Wingsy Kits Ki-51 or even their 109s.