Troy Smith

OK, my point was about the perils of using FS 595 to represent British paints. In the links, I made it clear that they are not "the same" but it should be noted that 24424 is listed as ANA 610, which was approved by the British as an substitute for Sky, when they got the Avenger II, (Eastern built TBM) along with ANA 603 Gray and ANA 613 OD it also notes that there are not exact FS 595 for ANA color matches... There is no doubt the Dutch TBM-3W are Dark Grey over Sky, what is in question is if they are the British colours, or US Substitute colors, as they are close, but not the same. in this link, but a long way down , Depends on where they were overhauled? That would supply the answer, by this I mean that possibly the Avengers were overhauled in the UK as the Royal Navy had experience and parts for the types, as well as supplying other types for the Dutch Navy, or did they go back to the US? Or were they overhauled in the Netherlands? By this I mean a UK overhaul would most likely be British paint, a US overhaul would be US paint, the Netherlands? my suspicion is the paint would more likely be British, as this was used on British types in Dutch service? perhaps our Dutch contributors @48-Alone-Is-Great and @Peter Rozendal might be able to clarify on this aspect?

The early hits everyone knows, but then they practiced, and the played and wrote their own songs, and then .... well, my memory is this, at some point in the midy 80's, turning on Channel 4 at about 10 on a Monday night, and finding the Monkees, on, "this is weird I thought " (as then Channel 4 was the alternative channel) .... and then being more baffled.... It was this.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_(film) "While the film's music disappointed fans of the band's more traditional pop sound, it features what some critics considered to be some of The Monkees' best recorded work, including contributions by Carole King and Harry Nilsson. Jack Nicholson compiled the soundtrack album, which approximates the flow of the movie and includes large portions of the dialogue" If you like oddball 60's films try it.... If you just like the manufactured Monkees you may not... it's now a cult classic... neat article here, https://www.theguardian.com/music/2011/apr/28/monkees-head-jack-nicholson-interview and if you google "Monkees head" there are write up of Nesmith and Dolenz at a 50th anniversary screening... Hope of interest to some of you.

build in Israeli markings https://modelingmadness.com/review/korean/us/staabsv35.htm review, ah the is the F33 https://modelingmadness.com/review/civil/previews/11670.htm hopefully will give some info.

IIRC, I think it was @nheather said, if they work, they are OK, but some are not well made, and it's luck of the draw. If it works well, treat it well, maybe useful as back up. For a new one, you ay want to see if there is anywhere near you which has ones you can try out, depending on where you are in Kent, there is Airbrushes.com. https://www.airbrushes.com who are in Lancing, near Worthing.

Hmm, you might want to specify if you want enamel or acrylic, and what you can get, I note you are in the US. For enamel, Sovereign Hobbies, (available in the US) or Xtracolor. Acrylic, Xtracylix. There may well be a good Vallejo match, but I suspect it will be called something else.... Vallejo make good paint for acrylic, but there idea of colours can be a bit funny, and, for example I have found some excellent visual matches to the RAF Museum paint chip colour chart, they are not described that by Vallejo.... found by brushing out and comparing to the chips that is! Humbrol PRU Blue is 230, I was hoping I might get a conversion to Vallejo off the Creative Models site but it's not listed. There is most likely a Tamiya mix in the instruction for their Mosquito IV kit no close FS 595 match it seems https://www.e-paint.co.uk/Colour_alternatives.asp?cRange=BS Other&cRef=BS 636&metallic2=False&cDescription=PRU blue Not the best answer, I do suggest specifying which paint brand you can get. A couple of our US members who have RAF tendencies like @72modeler or @Cookenbacher maybe able to advise on paints you can get. HTH

No, new tooling from Revell a few years ago. (they did also issue the Matchbox kit as a Revell kit for many years ) The original Mk,I/II kit had overwide engines and nacelles, which cause much anguish and aftermarket bits, as the Mk.III has new engines/wings, and I have not read reams about it's faults, I think it's OK accuracy wise, and modern Revell toolings are good kits, as in they fit well and are well engineered. Worth chekcing about for accuracy issues though.

Link incomplete. had a search for ease of use https://www.ipms.nl/artikelen/nedmil-luchtvaart/vliegtuigen-g/vliegtuigen-g-grumman-avenger/2862-vliegtuigen-g-grumman-avenger-4-foto a couple of the colour pics are very washed out and the undersides could be mistaken for a light grey, which may explain where Sword got the idea from.

well, your model, it has been shown that the Sword illustration is wrong. without meaning to be funny, search. I got the answers i gave above that way, though I'm aware of what schemes often are, this made me curious, hence posting. and do you want to go with the (incorrect) kit scheme of dark grey/light grey or the actual scheme of Extra Dark Sea Grey over Sky (these are the actual paint names, hence the capitals) If I was going to use a grey I'd suggest Medium Sea Grey, but if you have got as far as asking here, then just use the right colours. what paint do you use? That would be easiest, there are "matches " for these in many paint ranges for example... if they are the UK colours, do not use FS595 to describe them, if you must then you need to say "closest FS595 match is" for example, putting FS 26099 into the epaint https://www.e-paint.co.uk/Colour_alternatives.asp?cRange=Federal Standard 595&cRef=26099&metallic2=False&cDescription=Gray "colour alternatives" lists BS 638 Dark Sea Grey as "noticeably different" and it's not even EXTRA Dark Sea Grey BS640, Extra dark Sea Grey closest FS 595 match is AMS 595A 36079 Navy Gray #2 https://www.e-paint.co.uk/Colour_alternatives.asp?cRange=BS Other&cRef=BS 640&metallic2=False&cDescription=Extra dark sea grey BS 381C 210 Sky is "Close but distinguishable " Federal Standard 595 34424 Light gray green / ANA 610 https://www.e-paint.co.uk/Colour_alternatives.asp?cRange=BS 381C&cRef=BS381 210&metallic2=False&cDescription=Sky This may sound horribly pedantic, but using US color standards to "match" British colour standards leads to, well, people quoting FS 595 s matches for BS381.... and they are not the same. In this case, it's just adds a layer of confusion, as the OP really wants to know what those Avenger were painted, and the answer is the British colours Extra Dark Sea Grey and Sky If for example you only have access to a 595 chip set, and you want to know a BS or RAL colour, then knowing what is closest is a start, but does need qualifying. Hope of interest/use.....?

Very neat bit of work Jonners. May I suggest narrowing the shell ejector slots, as they are narrower than the link slots.. cheers T

As always, have a read here https://boxartden.com/reference/gallery/index.php/Modeling-References/Camoflage-Markings/08-Boulton-Paul-Defiant eg and but have a read of the whole thing.... and this HTH T

it's not intriguing, it's standard! Sky only came in in June 1940, before that... note 3rd image on right with caption "standard factory finish on underside, 23 feb to 11th june, Night ,White, Aluminium " Aluminium paint, not bare metal, under nose and rear fuselage see here for the full story https://boxartden.com/reference/gallery/index.php/Modeling-References/Camoflage-Markings/01-Supermarine-Spitfire

it would be unusual, and I've not seen a photo of the plane in question. there are example of coloured BoB spinners, but they are well documented exceptions, and the practice was unofficial and disapproved of. Is there a serial and /or pilot for the plane? OK, got it I'd be very surprised if it wasn't black.... They are probably your best bet, I don't know of anything else really of use. One oif the figures from the Airfix Mosquito perhaps, but for erks they do at least have coveralls cheers T

I suspect from the names these are British colours, so giving FS 595 'matches' can be misleading, as FS595 are US Government paint standards, it's not a colour atlas. It's widely quoted as it is commonly used in the US, and as such it's a widely available set of paint chips, and is convenient, but what happens is "close to FS595 xxxxx" becomes "matched by FS595 xxxxx" If that case is they are British paints, these have there own standards, and are also widely available as model colours, notice the linked site has Humbrol and xtracolor matches, eg Light Green/Sky is Humbrol 90, which is RAF or FAA Sky. so the question really is, did the Netherlands Navy use British paint? Or where did their Avengers come from? Extra Dark Sea Grey and Sky and are the standard FAA colours post war as well, the Netherlands Navy used several British types, and maybe well have standardised on the paint used on them? FWIW the colours on the Sword profile look like those used on Canadian Navy Sea Fury, with a pale grey underside, Note @twinpin this would have been better in the Cold War Section, and if you use 'edit' then select 'full edit' you can change your thread heading to "colours of TBM-3W Netherland Navy" as this shows at a glance what you are asking. I stuck "tbm-3w avenger netherlands doorman" into google https://kw.jonkerweb.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=650:grumman-tbm-3-avenger-uk&catid=88&lang=en&Itemid=550&showall=1&limitstart= in the link the Extra Dark Sea Grey and Sky are given BS (British Standards) references, so I would suggest they are standard British colours. Other may know more. HTH

Hi Dave it's come out really well, but how come the spinner is sky? I couldn't find the actual mask set so not sure what the instructions say. Anyway, great to one of these old beasts given some actual modelling cheers T

from the other photos it just looks like 635 sq used smaller codes compare compare, and F2-F as well the roundel is 48 inch, so the codes look about 30", maybe 36", the serial is 8" BTW. might make finding some generic codes easier.