Hawker Hurricane Mk IIc 1/48 Arma Hobby

[Peter Roberts]

Can we have a Mk I please?  

[Troy Smith]

55 minutes ago, Peter Roberts said:

Can we have a Mk I please?  

problem is.... what IS a Mk.I?   I assume you mean what most kits are, a mid/late metal wing,  but therre are lots of airframe details that vary,  and they are not clear cut... eg the 80  Mid 1940 standard built by Hawker, but with fabric wings...

The Mk.I is far more complex, or perhaps  has more variations than realised.  And things that in real enginnering are small changes,  or entire new bit in a kit, eg the 2nd fabric rectangular starboard hatch, a tricky filling or scribing job, or the different windscreens lower edge.

Or on fabric wings, the early airframes have a inner fabric panel at the rear wing root, later metal, even on a fabric wing.

etc etc...

Note they have tooled up a common Hurricane parts tree,  but there are other Mk.I's available in 1/48th.

 

As I noted at some point, next up logically will be the Mk.IIB, as you cover the vast majority of Hurricane built with the IIB and IIC, and the separate lower fuselage will allow for the Sea Hurricanes.

 

Whlile previously Hase tooled up a B wing and said to get rid of the outer panels, the new tool rivets detail doen't really make this viable for a IIA.

An A wing could be tooled as Hase did, with a separate lower fuselage,  to allow for a Mk.I and Mk.II nose.

 

What is really lacking is a proper IID/IV kit,  never been done properly in 1/48th.  only 300 Mk.IID and 600 MkIV, but  quite a few schemes, and the appeal of the 40mm guns and rockets.

Arma's 72nd IID kit actually has some new markings options as well.

 

But it will depend on sales of the main variants,  they have certainly learned a lot from the 72nd kits, which were not set up for multiple variants.

we'll have to wait and see......

[Tomas Enerdal]

I've been reading the build instructions for the kit, and kind of found a small detail omission; the "stirrup" catch fastened to the hub of the main wheel, that engages the locking mechanism in the wheel well roof.

This detail is very small in 1/48, it's therefore fully understandable that ARMA left them out. 

Does anyone know where to find some? The resin wheels from Barracuda Studios (BCR48427) contain them (incl. one extra) but they look a tad too large in pics.

Anyone with a very sharp 3D- printer who are willing to try?

( I consider raising the question in the 3D-section here on BM, but don't know how)

Edited June 13 by Tomas Enerdal

[Tbolt]

2 hours ago, Tomas Enerdal said:

I've been reading the build instructions for the kit, and kind of found a small detail omission; the "stirrup" catch fastened to the hub of the main wheel, that engages the locking mechanism in the wheel well roof.

This detail is very small in 1/48, it's therefore fully understandable that ARMA left them out. 

Does anyone know where to find some? The resin wheels from Barracuda Studios (BCR48427) contain them (incl. one extra) but they look a tad too large in pics.

Anyone with a very sharp 3D- printer who are willing to try?

( I consider raising the question in the 3D-section here on BM, but don't know how)

 

It looks like the Brengun set has them as well, don't know about accuracy though. Would be nice if someone produced a set of them.

 

Also I'm guessing it's not fixed to the wheel hub but rather the axle, otherwise it would rotate with the wheel.

 

 

 

 

[Troy Smith]

2 hours ago, Tomas Enerdal said:

it's therefore fully understandable that ARMA left them out

I spotted this too and emailed Arma, suggesting etch or 3d print if they wanted to include it.

 

11 minutes ago, Tbolt said:

Also I'm guessing it's not fixed to the wheel hub but rather the axle, otherwise it would rotate with the wheel.

Yes.

[Tomas Enerdal]

Forgot the Brengun set. I have one myself, bought it for the tail forks. The Barracuda mainwheels are better.

As to accuracy, there seems to be some slight variation;

even if the Brengun doesn't look like some I've seen in pics. Is the variation due to restorations?

You're of course correct about it being fastened to the axle.

Edited June 14 by Tomas Enerdal

[Troy Smith]

4 hours ago, Tomas Enerdal said:

doesn't look like some I've seen in pics. Is the variation due to restorations?

Period images of this are not common and only show so much, but here are a couple

 

 

 

what this does show is that the Finnish machine you post and image of has the originla uplocks

see here for more

https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235099841-hawker-hurricane-mkia/

 

as are the ones on the Shuttleworth Sea Hurricane

see here fore more

https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/76586-hawker-sea-hurricane/

 

 

[Tomas Enerdal]

Wow! Thanks for the great pics!

Since we now can determine the dimensions rather exactly, I will make a sketch for someone with a 3D-printer to work from. I will see if I can get in touch with the moderator for the 3D-group, to perhaps be allowed to place an ad there, asking for someone to print them for us, and any other interested modeller in the future. 

Troy, thank you especially for the great pic of the prewar hurricane (L1583)! It shows several other details for the interested:

-The magnificent highly polished coolant pipe, in copper.

-The marking on the pressure bottle (anyone knows where to find a DUNLOP decal of the right size?).

-The wheel well is rather dark, not silver? Grey-green?

-The fact that the main gear leg is maybe, just slightly darker than the inside of the (silver) painted gear cover.

-The rearmost part of the side plate, is painted in a different shade, again, grey.green?

 

Edited June 18 by Tomas Enerdal

[Tbolt]

13 hours ago, Tomas Enerdal said:

Wow! Thanks for the great pics!

Since we now can determine the dimensions rather exactly, I will make a sketch for someone with a 3D-printer to work from. I will see if I can get in touch with the moderator for the 3D-group, to perhaps be allowed to place an ad there, asking for someone to print them for us, and any other interested modeller in the future. 

Troy, thank you especially for the great pic of the prewar hurricane (L1583)! It shows several other details for the interested:

-The magnificent highly polished coolant pipe, in copper.

-The marking on the pressure bottle (anyone knows where to find a DUNLOP decal of the right size?).

-The wheel well is rather dark, not silver? Grey-green?

-The fact that the main gear leg is maybe, just slightly darker than the inside of the (silver) painted gear cover.

-The rearmost part of the side plate, is painted in a different shade, again, grey.green?

 

 

 

Will be interested to see what can be printed when the are this size.

 

Here a other few pictures if they are any help of the two Hurricanes from Old Warden, click on them for a higher res ( I've got higher res if you need them ). Note both these aircraft have the bracket slightly off center to the axle, but the period photos and the last one Troy posted look more like they are centered.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tomas Enerdal]

I've been looking at the 1/48 Hurricane 4 slot main wheels from Barracuda.

The pics of the resin items can be seen on the Barracuda homepage, they have also been reproduced on Hannant's page.

The "length" of the real "stirrup" is approx 50% of the dia. of the innermost plate of the wheel hub, the plate with the four bolts.

The Barracuda stirrups are  approx. 70% of the dia. on the resin items.

 

 

(Don't look at the painted items, as I did at first. They are possibly prototypes, the stirrups are much larger)

 

The Barracuda stirrups are therefore a tad too large, but still possibly fully acceptable to many modellers, considering how small they are? A possible (if expensive) fallback in case nobody wants to 3D-print new ones.

 

I don't have the Barracuda wheels myself yet, but have ordered a set out of curiosity/as a backup.

 

[Tomas Enerdal]

According to the ARMA page, it has been released today.

If ordered today, however, there will be 1-2 weeks delivery time, they have lots of pre-orders to ship first...

 

(When I receive mine, I will finish the drawing/sketch of the stirrup locking device. I need to measure the kits wheel hub, to get the dimensions of the stirrup right)

[Stephen]

Latest update

 

https://armahobbynews.pl/en/blog/2023/06/23/hurricane-1-48-front-report/?utm_term=null&utm_campaign=H2C-Preorder-tagged-06-24-en&utm_medium=email&c_id=10757594&hash=ae784929fe2b0f2e82824a36c7eb7741&utm_source=edrone&utm_content=email_click 

[SleeperService]

14 hours ago, Stephen said:

Latest update

 

https://armahobbynews.pl/en/blog/2023/06/23/hurricane-1-48-front-report/?utm_term=null&utm_campaign=H2C-Preorder-tagged-06-24-en&utm_medium=email&c_id=10757594&hash=ae784929fe2b0f2e82824a36c7eb7741&utm_source=edrone&utm_content=email_click 

How refreshing to see a manufacturer keeping us completely up-to-date when things get delayed. I am certain the result will be worth it. It's also good to hear they are using local suppliers so quality control should be easier. Hopefully Airfix take note of this, the labour cost is only an issue when the thundering herd massively outnumbers those generating the wealth. Much is made of the Japanese concept of muda by people who have never worked with it to the detriment of many.

Finishing this will be a challenge with the mixed fabric, metal and wood surfaces I'm thinking of going very matt for the canvas and then polishing for the rest increasing amount done for wood, to metal, and then more for the areas of high airflow. My current Fury project will be the test bed for me.

[Tomas Enerdal]

Any news?

[Wojtek2]

Email from yesterday: "shipment in preparation"; ordered May 8th.

[Bozothenutter]

On 6/19/2023 at 7:43 AM, Tomas Enerdal said:

I've been looking at the 1/48 Hurricane 4 slot main wheels from Barracuda.

The pics of the resin items can be seen on the Barracuda homepage, they have also been reproduced on Hannant's page.

The "length" of the real "stirrup" is approx 50% of the dia. of the innermost plate of the wheel hub, the plate with the four bolts.

The Barracuda stirrups are  approx. 70% of the dia. on the resin items.

 

 

(Don't look at the painted items, as I did at first. They are possibly prototypes, the stirrups are much larger)

 

The Barracuda stirrups are therefore a tad too large, but still possibly fully acceptable to many modellers, considering how small they are? A possible (if expensive) fallback in case nobody wants to 3D-print new ones.

 

I don't have the Barracuda wheels myself yet, but have ordered a set out of curiosity/as a backup.

 

good example of resin not being the right tech for the part, would be much better (but still tiny) in PE.

two folds and a bit of wire.

[Tomas Enerdal]

Ah, many thanks! My order is a little later. Good to hear that the kits are on their way. 

[Tomas Enerdal]

I’ve considered making my own in brass, too. But 0.2 mm is the smallest drills I have, and they are fragile..

[Marcin]

Today morning I received an e-mail with the info that my order has been completed. According to the tracking number provided, package has not been collected from Arma yet. As I'm based in Poland, I should have the order in 1-2 days, hopefully.

[Bozothenutter]

1 hour ago, Tomas Enerdal said:

I’ve considered making my own in brass, too. But 0.2 mm is the smallest drills I have, and they are fragile..

not a problem for PE

[JackG]

2 hours ago, Bozothenutter said:

good example of resin not being the right tech for the part, would be much better (but still tiny) in PE.

two folds and a bit of wire.

 

1 hour ago, Tomas Enerdal said:

I’ve considered making my own in brass, too. But 0.2 mm is the smallest drills I have, and they are fragile..

 

 

Was thinking the same thing.   If enough people get together they could make a combined order on a single custom PE sheet.

 

The outfit I have dealt with is PPD Ltd. based in Scotland but there are others.  So for them I know the minimal order size of brass sheet is as follows

 - sheet dimension 290mm x 135mm plus 6mm frame

 - smallest sheet thickness is 0.15mm

 - smallest possible hole size is 0.18mm  but better go with 0.25mm to make certain the chemical will etch through

 - half etch minimal for creating a 90 degree fold line 0.18mm

 - costs for Setup assuming you provide the artwork  phototool £27.50  and £10.00 for the sheet plus postage

 

[Marcin]

I just picked the model from the parcel locker. Lovely kit. Wow!
The surface is outstanding. It contains masks and 3D printed details as I pre-ordered together with Arma's PZL P.11 kit.
 

 

 

 

Edited July 6 by Marcin

[TEXANTOMCAT]

Now that’s a quality package ! Thanks for sharing 👍

[Tomas Enerdal]

-I got a mail this morning, telling it's shipped. It was long ago I anticipated a kit as much as this!

-Jack G; sounds like a good idea. Anyone else interested? I'm looking a lot at pics on the stirrups, trying to determine the size and proportions. But I will wait for the kit, to put the stirrup's dimensions in proportion to the hub of the wheel.

There seems to be variations, I believe they can be seen in the pics in this tread: The Sea Hurricane and the Old Warden ones seem more massive than the wartime and Finnish. Or is it only the pics themselves that are playing tricks with my eyes? 

To be continued..

[Tbolt]

 

Looking really nice.

 

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