perdu Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Is it Monday already? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted September 6, 2021 Author Share Posted September 6, 2021 Give us a chance Bill. I've got to read 138 - and now thanks to you 139 - pages to work out what I was trying to do, what I've done and what I've got left to do I'd probably best post a summary for them as have learned to read, left school and got jobs since I began 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Fritag said: what I've got left to do Get ready to cut a huge lump of nose off your Hasegawa Jagwarrs Other wise on the 'awks just add paint and stick the wheels on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 1 hour ago, perdu said: Is it Monday already? It'll be Tuesday before you know it. At least we are on page 139 now. I think we should have a party when we get to 150. 🤪 Terry 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted September 8, 2021 Author Share Posted September 8, 2021 (edited) Ok so. Circumstances appear not unpropitious for a re-awakening (soon) of this poor neglected geriatric thread. And so: SEEING as generations have come and gone since it was first begun. AND seeing as I can’t myself remember what I’ve done so far and have yet to do. AND so that you don't have to scroll through 139 pages of intermittent modelling and recurrent drift. HERE as promised is a summary to date. WARNING For the avoidance of doubt no new plastic has been cut or otherwise harmed in the making of this summary.... Them as remember the old thread or with low boredom thresholds should look away now..... SUMMARY So, take two x 1/72 Airfix Hawks (series A55202A). One to be completed as a c.1983 TMk1 Hawk in the classic red/white/grey trainer scheme - specifically XX176 as piloted by moi on 18 July 1983: The other to be completed as a c.1983 TMk1A Hawk in wraparound camo as flown by the TWU's - specifically XX263 as piloted by moi c.April 1984: DONE SO FAR Cockpit 1. Home made cast resin cockpit tubs. Stripped back and modified a CMK Hawk 100 resin cockpit tub to use as the master. Then detailed with plastic strip, lead wire etc. 2. Eduard pre-painted PE Instrument and side Panels (background colour repainted). Amazingly the Eduard panels for the T1A even have the weapons controls which the panels for the T1 do not - as per the 1:1s. 3. PE rudder pedals. All seen here: 4. Home vac formed front and rear coamings detailed with home-etched brass and home-cast resin details. 5. Gun sight on the T1A coamings scratched from a mixture of etch and plastic strip. Gratuitous cockpit piccie: Ejection Seats Home cast resin Mk10 ejection seats with the early wide-cheeked head boxes (think Wallace from Wallace and Gromit). As a master I used the seat pan from the CMK Mk 10 seats, removed the straps, added various scratch details and topped it off with the (somewhat reshaped) head box from old Matchbox hawk seats. Cast 4 seats. Straps a mixture of pre-painted PE and lead foil rear seat apron from lead foil. Fuselage 1. Filled in many of the Airfix trenches. Rescribed panels various (such as the ram air turbine doors). Carved off several inappropriate details. 2. Rebuilt the ram air exhaust vents on the top of the fuselage. 3. Starter exhaust collar from plastic card 4. Quick boost resin Ram Air Intakes. 4. Home-etched grills let into the top of the fuselage. All seen here: And home etch grills on the fret: 5. NACA ducts x 5 per fuselage (IIRC) plunge moulded into the fuselage using heated shaped brass masters. Seen here after plunge moulding but before clean up (2 NACA ducts in the centre of the photo) And after clean up: 6. Rear fuselage exhaust thingummy from bent nickel tube. 9. Remodelled wing root fairings 10. Home resin cast variosu lumps and bumps including the aileron linkage housings: 11. Home made ‘seamless trunking from plastic card inspired by @Gene K’s method as used by @giemme on his various Phantoms over the years: Plus home vac formed intake interiors. 12. Scratch built Adour compressor face. Which may just be visible: 13. Tail pipe from thinned plastic tube with PE turbine face. To be fitted after main exterior painting: 14. Airbrake bay lined with plastic card. Airbrake reshaped and refined with added home-cast resin teardrop fairing. Airbrake posed very slightly opened – as often seen on parked Hawks. 15. Ventral strakes from etch improved with soldered-on brass rod and added flanges from plastic card and some archer resin rivets. Airbrake and strakes work here: 16. HGW 3d cast resin ‘domed’ rivets on the rear of the fuselage and the tailplane. May or may not be visible after final painting.... 17. Brass tube let into nose to form the pitot tube fairing - ready to receive the excellent Master brass pitot tube (dry fitted here): Wings 1. Home etched vortex generators (VGs). Here fitted: 2. Leading edge stall strips from 0.5mm square section plastic rod. 3. Brass wing fences from the Airwaves set with added ‘flanges’ from 0.2mm plastic card. Both shown here along with the VGs: 4. Flaps posed down as that's how parked Hawks are usually seen. Cut out flaps, reworked kit parts to act as masters for home produced resin flap, scratched some flaplets from plastic strip. Undercarriage The kit items were poor. and a fair bit of work was needed on these 1. Nose leg and wheel. Legs scratched from plastic, brass and nickel tube, bits salvaged from the kit part and home-cast resin. Home-cast resin wheel. 2. Main legs. Home cast resin legs and hubs with nickel tubing for oleos and plastic card details. Modified kit wheels. Nose legs: Main legs 3. Nose leg bay. Built up from plastic card with various added details from plastic card etc. 4. Main leg bays. Shortened and reshaped bay; removed bay roof and built up the side walls from plastic card with various added details from plastic card, stretched sprue and lead wire etc. Armament 1. Aden gun pod. Modified what I think was an old Airfix offering by re-scribing, adding grills and vents, and adding a gun barrel cover/fairing from reshaped plastic tube. 2. Long tailed CBLS. Home cast resin using old Flightpath white metal CBL as master. Haven't decided whether or not to make some 3kg practice bombs. Canopy Home vac formed windscreen and canopies; using home-cast resin bucks as masters. Gratuitous overall shot of the T1A STILL TO DO 1. MDC for the canopy and details the canopies. 2. Undercarriage doors. 3. Wing pylons for the TWU Hawk. 3. External bits and bobs such as strobe and navigation lights and various aerials. 4. Various further cockpit details (e.g. rear cockpit bulkhead storage bag, cockpit rails etc. 5. Painting and decaling etc. Not a huge list perhaps but the best way of doing the canopy MDC has been troublesome and there's been some recent discussion about this as thread drift over on page 13 of my USAAF Spitfire thread. I have several sets of home etched MDC - which I'm now not so sure is the solution. In the best traditions of BM Tony @TheBaron kindly ran some test cuts with his silhouette cutter way back on page 116 of the thread: Which suggested that masking and spraying is potentially feasible. And Alan @hendie has just run some printer test prints which I have to say look terribly promising. The history behind that can also been seen on page 13 of the Spittie thread and it's of no surprise that Bill @perdu plays a prominent role Anyroad up; all this discussion of the MDC served to reawaken in me some long resting enthusiasm for these old hawks and the nostalgia fest of going back through the thread has just heightened it a little. So hopefully there'll be some actual modelling done on them in the near future. Not promising owt of course. But hopefully. And look on the bright side. I've saved you 139 pages of reading Or perhaps just added yet another unnecessary post Hmm - hadn't thought about that Edited September 8, 2021 by Fritag typo 25 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Riot Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 Oh wow, these are absolutely brilliant! I remember watching the green/grey Hawks at Chivenor in about ‘81 when I was a kid. Got to say though the red/white scheme is most synonymous with the type to me, I’ll be attempting a 1/48 one in that very scheme at some point. These are beautifully made so far, hyper realistic cockpits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galligraphics Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 Yay - I remember this thread from back when I were but a mere lad… Looking forward to more inspiration. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 Excellent summary, thanks. must get round to a Hawk. My recollections are the black ones above the North York Moors. Wonderful! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cngaero Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 I've been looking forward to the resurrection of this thread. Your summary certainly shows the quality of your painstaking work so far and leaves us, your hungry audience wanting more. As for your choice of colours, both these period schemes were the best worn by RAF Hawks IMHO and bring back happy memories of the old BBC Fighter Pilot series. Resistance is useless, you must carry on 😁 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 He's back at this! (Well.... almost ) 1 hour ago, Fritag said: NACA ducts x 5 per fuselage (IIRC) plunge moulded into the fuselage using heated shaped brass masters. I thought you ended up flooding the area with TeT and pressing the brass master in - do I remember it the wrong way round? Or was it an entirely different thread? Ciao 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted September 8, 2021 Author Share Posted September 8, 2021 1 minute ago, giemme said: I thought you ended up flooding the area with TeT and pressing the brass master in - do I remember it the wrong way round? Nearly correct G. I used the heated brass technique for the ducts on the underneath and rear upper fuselage but a different technique for the small duct on the nose. Where, if I remember correctly, I made a small indentation, filled it with sprue-goo and pressed the brass master into the goo. I think I was worried about the damage I could do to the nose with a heated brass master! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 Settles down for the duration Again 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Fritag said: I have several sets of home etched MDC - which I'm now not so sure is the solution. As excellent as the etch solution is, and you know how I now know, I'm still inclined to agree that a better solution could be out there somewhere. There is even a small amount of R&D occurring in deepest Dorset for the greater good as I write these words 😄. You can blame that JP, and I'm not referring to any local magistrate! Great to have this thread up and running again and and an excellent summary of the case thus far. Terry 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 4 hours ago, Fritag said: And look on the bright side. I've saved you 139 pages of reading Nothing beats rewatching classic episodes on the Friplayer....🤓 1 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 When should we order the beer and peanuts? I'm on the edge of my seat, so get that Spit finished pdq! (My CG is considerably further forward than it used to be and I don't want to fall on my face!) Ian 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomprobert Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 I'm glad this project has been revived - it's always a pleasure to see a master at work I have fond memories of standing at the crash gate at Chivenor back in the day watching Hawks come and go... good times! Tom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Not just yet Ian. The beer will have long since gone off before more plastic worrying takes place, let alone completion. We would have to drink it to prevent it being wasted. Hang on a minute! Martian 👽 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Wow. What an enthralling and wonderfully detailed summary. Got a new paralegal then have we Steve? I can hardly wait for this to resume though I have to admit to being filled with a certain degree of trepidation as Steve is going to be putting my bits on full display for all and sundry to gape at. Let's just hope they're good enough to pass muster. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted September 10, 2021 Author Share Posted September 10, 2021 8 hours ago, hendie said: Got a new paralegal then have we Steve? Interesting spot Alan. Seen many formal preambles to court orders have you 9 hours ago, hendie said: certain degree of trepidation as Steve is going to be putting my bits on full display for all and sundry to gape at. The mind boggles but it’s fair to say that I await your bits with eager anticipation and equally fair to say that they’ve already been an inspiration 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back in the Saddle Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Great to see this one back again and even better to have a précis of the story so far! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gondor44 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 12 hours ago, hendie said: I can hardly wait for this to resume though I have to admit to being filled with a certain degree of trepidation as Steve is going to be putting my bits on full display for all and sundry to gape at. Let's just hope they're good enough to pass muster. Way too much information!! Gondor 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 48 minutes ago, Gondor44 said: Way too much information!! Gondor No no no, am certain we all need to see Alan's proverbial bits in their full pomp. Awaiting that pleasure avidly Alan, yes Steve its over to you now m'learned friend... 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, perdu said: No no no, am certain we all need to see Alan's proverbial bits in their full pomp. Fnar, snurf, 🤮 Traumatised of Mars 👽 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 'The early results are in.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 1 hour ago, perdu said: No no no, am certain we all need to see Alan's proverbial bits in their full pomp. Can't wait. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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