Bandsaw Steve Posted September 13, 2021 Author Share Posted September 13, 2021 Simple processes and complex shapes I am making fairly good progress on this project at the moment so it's time to post again with a few more bits and pieces , none of which have anything much to do with one another. The one thing they have in common is that the shapes might look difficult but in fact are really just the result of simple processes repeated. First the shock cones. The photos are fairly self explanatory. Once again I'm very happy I have access to a wood-turning lathe. I think I'm getting the hang of this woodturning business... I even managed to make two sets of shock-cones that looked like pretty close matches. These shapes are quite specific and might look tricky but with the right tools - i.e. a wood lathe - they are actually not that difficult to produce. Once they were sliced down the middle and the excess unwanted half was sanded away they both fitted quite nicely into their respective air-intakes. Having recently cut out the forward undercarriage bay my mind was focused on ensuring that this model would not become a tail sitter. I've already added some forward weights but decided there was still some doubt and I just don't want to take that risk... sooooo.... I took the central section and cut two guiding cuts along the inside of each half... then carved out a wide slot along the entire length forward of the main gear. Into those slots I fitted two strips of roofing lead and then glued them into place with two-part epoxy. I am now fully confident that this model will not sit on it's butt. However at this point I realized that the shape of the forward undercarriage bay was wrong. Currently there was nowhere for the wheel to fit when retracted. So it was back to some fretsaw and chisel work to cut out the deeper recess in the UC bay that sits directly behind the ejector seat. Obviously the UC bay is very rough at this point but this will be easily sorted by lining it with either sheet plastic or brass. In the meantime each of these central fuselage bits consist of quite involved geometry and are perhaps the most complex single-piece shapes I have ever modelled. However, even though the parts are quite complex, they have not been especially difficult to produce. This is because they are just the result of several simple exercises in cutting and carving carried out in sequence. This is a variation on a theme that @hendie often espouses 'even the most complex pieces are generally just a series of simpler pieces stuck together.' Very true. Generally speaking this scratchbuilding business is just simple processes repeated to make complex shapes. Stay Safe modelling folks! Bandsaw Steve 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieW Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, Bandsaw Steve said: this scratchbuilding process is just simple processes repeated to make complex shapes. I'm starting to understand this better, it seems like it should be obvious but for me it really wasn't! You're building up a head of steam on the build now. The work looks fantastic and you seem to be having great fun. 👍 Richie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandsaw Steve Posted September 13, 2021 Author Share Posted September 13, 2021 There is indeed an underlying simplicity in all of this work. Someone once told me that in woodwork there are only two tools: - A hammer (for applying impact forces) - A chisel (for cutting things) To which I replied, ‘what about a saw?’ And he said that a saw blade is just a row of chisel-heads. A sheet of sandpaper is just a bunch of tiny chisel-heads glued onto paper. A wood-plane is just a chisel-head set in a frame, a drill bit is just a chisel that rotates and so and so and so… Of course at one level this contention is plainly absurd, but there is an underlying truth here; in woodwork (short of gluing or nailing things together*) there is only one way to get the shape you want, and that’s to remove unwanted material with some form of cutting tool. So fundamentally the whole discipline of woodwork comes down to a very simple premise. Start with more wood than you need and use a sharp edge to remove the stuff you don’t want! 🤔 That’s it really! 😱 *in a way a nail is just a chisel too. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Nice work! Good solution to the wing profiling, too. Regards, Adrian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandsaw Steve Posted September 13, 2021 Author Share Posted September 13, 2021 47 minutes ago, Bandsaw Steve said: Whoops- just accidentally posted the whole damned thing again and had to delete the text row by row. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 1 hour ago, RichieW said: You're building up a head of steam on the build now. Um, he and BBS have already done the Hogwarts Express. 😁 But I agree that he's got his momentum up. 🙂 1 hour ago, Bandsaw Steve said: Start with more wood than you need and use a sharp edge to remove the stuff you don’t want! I've heard a similar method described on how to carve a statue - start with a block of stone or marble and chip away all those bits that aren't a statue! But I agree with the premise, that complex bits are simply a collection of simple bits. She's coming along well, Steve. Regards, Jeff. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 I've espoused many things in my time, and generally, they're all simple. I try and keep it to two syllables at most otherwise it gets complicated. Nice chiseling Steve. The way your skills are progressing you'll be able to knock out a helicopter soon. Now, that will be a build to watch. You're right though - pretty much everything can be boiled down to simple.geometric shapes. The trick is to recognise which one is simplest and start from there, building (or subtracting) one simple shape at a time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandsaw Steve Posted September 13, 2021 Author Share Posted September 13, 2021 As it happens there is helicopter on my ‘must build one day’ list but don’t get your hopes up @hendie it’s far more attractive than anything 28 Sqn ever flew. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 I apologise for the tardiness in finding this thread. 😞 Trevor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Great work going on there Steve. It’s fascinating to watch this take shape. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heloman1 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 Neat lathe work on the shock cones. Colin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escaflowne Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 It's always a pleasure to see how you work and the result, with your pics and explanations it seems sot easy, virtual making are always simple and easy but in real life it's not the case 😉 Great work and very realistic on the intake and the "souris" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandsaw Steve Posted September 23, 2021 Author Share Posted September 23, 2021 Simple Shapes and Complex Processes. In the last post I talked about simple processes making complex shapes. This post is sort-of the opposite. Here the task of making a simple hole demands a few more steps than I anticipated. Plan 'A' looks fairly straightforward - just get a 25mm spade bit and drill out the rear-end as shown. When using a spade-bit always start by running the drill backwards to scribe a nice clean circle that will prevent the surrounding wood from chipping out. So far things are looking good. But a few seconds after starting the drill in earnest we see that things did not go well. Since the two halves of the fuselage are not yet glued together the two pieces slipped relative to one another causing an oval cut and the drill bit broke out of the bottom of the airframe. I was not a happy camper at this point and was not sure how to progress from here. Here's what I did; just drilled a series of smaller holes in the area that will need to be hollowed out and then... started digging out the unwanted volume with a chisel. The pre-drilled holes sped the process up and helped guide me but overall this was pretty ugly work. Eventually he chisels gave me a near semi-circular recess in each half of the fuselage that I could attack with a circular grinding tool. Fortunately at this start of this process I had intentionally left a few mm of surplus wood on the rear of the aircraft. When I sanded that off, the resulting hole was greatly tidied up. Of course once the tail was slotted into place the tail's root was still in the middle of the hole, so something had to be done. After a couple of minutes with the scroll saw we had this... Which after a bit of cleaning up with some rolled-up coarse sand-paper, left... this! Which I think looks OK despite the close call with disaster near the start of this post. Next up, the two halves of the rear fuselage will get glued together. Then I might start rounding off that very ugly square cross-section. Sorry about the cruddy photos folks - definitely time for a new shed camera. Best Regards, Bandsaw Steve 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieW Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Good response to the problem, that worked out really well in the end. Richie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 We all need a lucky escape once in a while! Nice save! Ian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 That could have been a lot worse. Nicely done to get back on track. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roginoz Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Wondered where this build had got to @Bandsaw Steve, and it's good to catch up with your impressive progress. There's been no doubt, for quite a while, what aircraft you're building and the end result promises to look great. Onward and upward ! Rog PS any progress on Xantho ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandsaw Steve Posted September 24, 2021 Author Share Posted September 24, 2021 Thanks mate. Pleased that you approve. As for Xantho; for now no progress from my end. The ball is firmly in Ross Shardlow’s court at present as he continues to work on research. Once he has a set of completed plans they will go to the museum for approval and then building can start. The project that is really stalled at the moment is the PZH 2000. I do keep planning to get back to it, but this Mirage project is so enjoyable that it drags me away every time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Gidday Steve, I have trouble concentrating on more than one thing at a time (typical male, I suppose) so I understand you focusing on just the Mirage at present. But I'm looking forward to when you get back to the others. Regards, Jeff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Holy mis-shapen holes Bandman! Nice recovery, and lesson no doubt learned for future holery 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamS Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Can’t work out how I missed this! I love this sort of scratch building. Absolutely fad stuff. Graham 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandsaw Steve Posted September 24, 2021 Author Share Posted September 24, 2021 🦇 ‘Bandman! 🦇 Hmmmmm…. Yeah! I like the sound of that. 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Coming along nicely Steve, not too many backward steps. I still think you're barmy but in a nice way. Steve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putty Animal Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Looks fantastic. That's not an easy timber to work with either. Amazing stuff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serkan Sen Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I have just caught up this build. What you are doing here is amazing. Have you ever considered to machine the woods with CNC? (maybe I am a bit CAD/CAM oriented. Therefore the only thing I can think how to machine the parts). I will follow this build with great interest. Serkan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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