JohnT Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 According to that oracle of information The Daily Express newspaper, Argentina is to receive 24 F-16's from Denmark after an approval from and financed by the US administration. I think that's been known for some time now. What will come as news to many - not least the Argentinian Air Force is that - according to the Daily Express these F-16s will also be Argentina's first-ever supersonic planes when they enter service. I am sure their pilots will be gratified as no doubt Dassault's sales team. Not sure this belongs in Real Aviation or Short Funnies 1 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcB Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) yeah....the SHAR pilots will be surprised as well MB Edited January 30 by MarcB 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hairystick Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I believed that I saw a recent article saying that Argentina was now broke? Finance deal (perhaps) for these 1st supersonic aircraft...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozothenutter Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 They'll want to have a chat with the Dassault people about pulling the wool over their eyes...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Isn't even the Super Entendard capable of slightly beyond Mach 1? But for the Airforce it would definitely the first supersonic aircraft - in years! The last Fingers/ Mirages were retired in 2015? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigsty Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 It's the Express. If they told me today was Wednesday, I'd still check my calendar. 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 20 hours ago, hairystick said: I believed that I saw a recent article saying that Argentina was now broke? Finance deal (perhaps) for these 1st supersonic aircraft...? I gather the US Administration are assisting with funding. Quite why? It seems to be intended in order to block China who were offering their aircraft. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dekenba Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 17 hours ago, pigsty said: It's the Express. If they told me today was Wednesday, I'd still check my calendar. And if it DID say Wednesday, I'd look for another calendar, such is the Express - and its stable mate, the Mail - and their reputation for outright lies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan-o Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 On 1/30/2024 at 9:53 PM, JohnT said: According to that oracle of information The Daily Express newspaper, Argentina is to receive 24 F-16's from Denmark after an approval from and financed by the US administration. I think that's been known for some time now. What will come as news to many - not least the Argentinian Air Force is that - according to the Daily Express these F-16s will also be Argentina's first-ever supersonic planes when they enter service. I am sure their pilots will be gratified as no doubt Dassault's sales team. Not sure this belongs in Real Aviation or Short Funnies On 1/30/2024 at 9:53 PM, JohnT said: According to that oracle of information The Daily Express newspaper, Argentina is to receive 24 F-16's from Denmark after an approval from and financed by the US administration. I think that's been known for some time now. What will come as news to many - not least the Argentinian Air Force is that - according to the Daily Express these F-16s will also be Argentina's first-ever supersonic planes when they enter service. I am sure their pilots will be gratified as no doubt Dassault's sales team. Not sure this belongs in Real Aviation or Short Funnies well the ‘defence’ correspondent was saying the other day we should send a carrier to the Red Sea so the typhoons don’t have to fly from Cyprus and can us the carrier instead🙄clowns the lot of them. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturmovik Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 I'll believe we're getting the F-16s when I read it from an official source, I.E from Argentina's (official) Defense Twitter account. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 On 31/01/2024 at 05:31, exdraken said: Isn't even the Super Entendard capable of slightly beyond Mach 1? But for the Airforce it would definitely the first supersonic aircraft - in years! The last Fingers/ Mirages were retired in 2015? The Super Etendard can go Mach 1, but they are in a "Major Maintendance", the Mirages (all the family: Finger's, Mara's and the III's) was retired in 2015. In theory, the A-4AR can break the Sound Barrer but in specific weather conditions and above of 10.000 meters (30.000fts) but the plane are Subsonic. I think what the F-16 is a very good offert in this moment and in this conditions. -Santti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 I wonder what strings will be attached to that sale if happening at all! A couple of years ago it would have beena squadron Spanish Mirage F1M ... even that fell through .... Not sure if price, obsolescence or political pressure.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Back in the news again: https://www.defensenews.com/air/2024/03/29/argentina-to-buy-surplus-f-16-jets-from-denmark/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Yes, indeed! Seems the US in principle approved the sale. Looks like the danger of a Chinese jets getting a foothold was too big.... Now a contract needs to be signed though. And payments made. Wonder what weapons might be included? Amraams? HARMs? Targeting pods? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Riot Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Does that mean the RAF will need more Typhoons at Mount Pleasant? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 57 minutes ago, Lord Riot said: Does that mean the RAF will need more Typhoons at Mount Pleasant? Nope. As @exdraken has pointed out, having Argentina 'friendly' with the USA makes them less likely to do anything silly. I suspect the latest Typhoon is superior to an older F16 anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 hour ago, Lord Riot said: Does that mean the RAF will need more Typhoons at Mount Pleasant? Depends... they could do with Harriers alone, or 4 Phantoms when Argentina still had loads of Mirages, Fingers and Skyhawks... a couple of F-16s with Sidewinders only should be no problem. Even with the extended range... But with HARMs and AMRAAMs this might change... also a second runway is a good option, and a second set of radars? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 For the F-16 to reach the Falklands Islands and get back they would need tanker support which they don't have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 hour ago, Stephen said: For the F-16 to reach the Falklands Islands and get back they would need tanker support which they don't have. You really think the F-16 with tanks has shorter range than the Mirage III? Osirak? I have severe doubts... but stand to be corrected.. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 2 hours ago, Stephen said: For the F-16 to reach the Falklands Islands and get back they would need tanker support which they don't have. 59 minutes ago, exdraken said: You really think the F-16 with tanks has shorter range than the Mirage III? Osirak? I have severe doubts... but stand to be corrected.. 😉 According to the USAF, the F-16 has a combat radius (in the ground attack role) of over 500 miles. https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104505/f-16-fighting-falcon/ Much more than I expected. I do hope the Argentine air force paint one of their F-16s in special colours! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan B Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 For Argentina, with its huge airspace, to have no current proper air defence aircraft must be a real worry for the military and Government. I hope they can get this deal over the line as the other options are a geopolitical nightmare for the West who would much rather have Argentina on side. Duncan B 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiampieroSilvestri Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 16 hours ago, wellsprop said: According to the USAF, the F-16 has a combat radius (in the ground attack role) of over 500 miles. https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104505/f-16-fighting-falcon/ Much more than I expected. I do hope the Argentine air force paint one of their F-16s in special colours! This is purely theoretical as Argentina has no intentions to do this but the Falkland Islands are 395 kilometres (245 miles) away from Argentina at the nearest point.The most southern airbase Rio Gallegos is even further away.The 500 miles of combat radius would not be enough to fly there,carry out an attack and fly back. Saluti Giampiero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 3 hours ago, GiampieroSilvestri said: This is purely theoretical as Argentina has no intentions to do this but the Falkland Islands are 395 kilometres (245 miles) away from Argentina at the nearest point.The most southern airbase Rio Gallegos is even further away.The 500 miles of combat radius would not be enough to fly there,carry out an attack and fly back. Saluti Giampiero Arguably during operation Opera, the attack of Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor, the distance was a 1100 km one way.... F-16s, to the surprise of many were able to deliver a pair of 2000lb Mk-84s each.... So 500 miles max might be a bit conservative.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiampieroSilvestri Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Were they refuelled in the air? Saluti Giampiero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fukuryu Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 1 hour ago, GiampieroSilvestri said: Were they refuelled in the air? Saluti Giampiero No, since they flew over Saudi Arabia for most of the time. The only offensive weapons were two Mk. 84 each, with full complement of auxiliary fuel tanks, and the planes were kept being refueled on the mat until they started moving for take-off. That's the story at least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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