1/48 - Consolidated B-24 Liberator by HobbyBoss - B-24J & D released

[Scooby]

On 1/1/2024 at 12:50 AM, SprueMan said:

Ah here, can you take your philosophies, theories, non-sequiturs and general complaining somewhere else?

Its paragraph and paragraph of nonsense and not on topic.

I’m not even sure the post is real, I think it is sarcasm or some kind of humor?

 

If it isn’t I think I just crossed the path of the most disgruntled modeler in the history of planet earth. He really should quit modeling if he is that angry at the hobby.

[Troy Smith]

2 hours ago, Scooby said:

I’m not even sure the post is real, I think it is sarcasm or some kind of humor?

 

If it isn’t I think I just crossed the path of the most disgruntled modeler in the history of planet earth. He really should quit modeling if he is that angry at the hobby.

do you mean this https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235121559-148-consolidated-b-24j-d-liberator-by-hobbyboss-b-24j-released-b-24d-in-2024-2025/page/4/#elControls_4856454_menu  

the post @SprueMan  was referring too? 

 

It's real, deadly serious,  not sarcasm or humor.   The poster has been doing this for years under a variety of usernames on several sites,  but the style is inimitable.   

 

[Shorty84]

On 05/01/2024 at 00:05, Scooby said:

I’m not even sure the post is real, I think it is sarcasm or some kind of humor?

Absolutely serious! He is 'blessing' others with his thoughts since years on various forums. It get's especially interesting when he extends his rumble to topics beyond modelling (society, ...) because, in short, everything is messed here and striving anywhere else. I've found only two sensible ways to cope with it:

 

-) Skip his post. 

-) Read them and have a good laugh. 

 

Everything else will push you down into the same dark hole he has put himself into 😁

 

Cheers

Markus

 

 

Edited January 16, 2024 by Mike
Removing obfuscated swears

[Exam89]

On 01/01/2024 at 00:33, WrathofAtlantis said:

I have never seen a corrected model in nearly a hundred expertly-finished builds.

First. But this 2011

http://scalemodels.ru/articles/4755-Fujimi-1-350-IJN-Battleship-Kongo.html

 

On 01/01/2024 at 00:33, WrathofAtlantis said:

This is indeed exactly what tolerance for garbage kits does.

I agree. But unfortunately, no one does the towers and the nose stand separately in normal quality, so I plan to buy this model, which I will use for spare parts

Edited January 5, 2024 by Exam89

[Homebee]

Sprues pics - ref. 81774 - Consolidated B-24J Liberator

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

V.P.

[tomprobert]

Looks good at first glance - a lot more rivet detail than the 1/32 kit which is welcome. Engines look a bit basic but certainly not a deal breaker for me - not a lot is seen inside the cowls anyway and no doubt after-market engines will soon be available should one be so inclined. Shame about the turret seams, but hey ho. At least the top turret is without the framing seen on the 1/32 kit. Ths has definitely confirmed one of these will be heading my way!

[Rakovica]

Hopefully, aftermarket seamless turrets like those in 1/32 will appear some time soon. Also, new wheels would be mandatory.

 

But in general, I have a quite good feeling about it. Should be better than the old Monogram and easier to find, if nothing else. Looking forward to get one.

[woody37]

There's a spare shelf for this right below my HK B-17!

[Exam89]

The turrets are in half again. The engines don't look like themselves. It just sucks. I'll probably cancel the pre-order and not spend money on it...

[spruecutter96]

On 2/6/2023 at 7:22 PM, The_Lancaster said:

P.S. Thinking how weirdly cheap the 1/32 kit was, hopefully it’s not as wallet-busting as I initially thought

I was told that the big-boy Liberators production was heavily subsidized by the Chinese government. How true is this? I have no idea.

 

Certainly, if the 1/32 B-24 had been produced by someone like Hong Kong Models, it would have been 2-3 the price upon introduction.

 

Cheers. 

 

Chris. 

[posh boy]

this to me looks alright,like others have said new wheels and turret glazing and i think it will grace anyone shelf/club table.

[k7rkx]

The B-24 has been a favourite of mine since I built the old airfix kit many moons ago. The biggest question i will have is if it can be built as a RAF SEAC aircraft in Coastal Command colours from the box (albeit, I can add the necessary aerials myself) or will it need a four gun rear turret.

[Exam89]

1 hour ago, k7rkx said:

it need a four gun rear turret

That's the only way

[brewerjerry]

Hi

   i know very little about b-24's

  so  is the nose turret an emerson  type ? 

   cheers

      jerry

Edited January 15, 2024 by brewerjerry

[tomprobert]

On 1/15/2024 at 4:38 AM, brewerjerry said:

Hi

   i know very little about b-24's

  so  is the nose turret an emerson  type ? 

   cheers

      jerry

For this kit, yes. 

[Mike]

Looks distinctly B-24 shaped from those few pics.  I'm looking forward to seeing it in the flesh, and I like the amount of detail they've put into the turret interiors, including some flexible ammo belts.  Sure the engines aren't resin or 3D printed quality, but not everyone cares about the details tucked away in those dark spaces.  Most people that do care wouldn't really be satisfied with the kit parts anyway, so it's a fair compromise, and helps to keep the costs down.  Someone would only call them over-engineered if they were super-detailed, and the cost conscious would be appalled that they've got to pay more than 7 and 6 (old skool coin of the realm) for a large, complex kit

[Rakovica]

 

The first video review, thanks to Andy's Hobby Headquarters.

[Scooby]

Good choice of markings!

[Troy Smith]

18 hours ago, Scooby said:

Good choice of markings!

the national markings are going to need replacements

link to time

https://youtu.be/oEY4ubFh-5E?t=937

 

they look light, more to the point the bars are longer and 

 

note how the bars touch the star, 

 

I presume from the dimensions being worked out for a red surround, not the best pic but shows what I mean.

 

Not a huge surprise as they often mess up like this, and at least easy to fix.

 

[Scooby]

On 1/29/2024 at 1:02 PM, Troy Smith said:

the national markings are going to need replacements

link to time

https://youtu.be/oEY4ubFh-5E?t=937

 

they look light, more to the point the bars are longer and 

 

note how the bars touch the star, 

 

I presume from the dimensions being worked out for a red surround, not the best pic but shows what I mean.

 

Not a huge surprise as they often mess up like this, and at least easy to fix.

 

I said good choice of decals, I didn’t say good quality of decals.

 

You can’t go wrong with Mike’s decals!
 

https://mikegrantdecals.com/product/b-24h-witchcraft/

[Corsairfoxfouruncle]

5 minutes ago, Scooby said:

I said good choice of decals, I didn’t say good quality of decals.

 

You can’t go wrong with Mike’s decals!
 

https://mikegrantdecals.com/product/b-24h-witchcraft/

I have that particular 1/72 sheet. Not sure if I will use them though. They were a gift and I don't normally do builds of existing warbirds. So am on the lookout for another set for my minicraft kit.

[MrB17]

There are formulas for the insignia and lettering etc. Obviously these companies either ignore them, don’t have them, or the graphic designers that do the artwork are unaware. There are some slight exceptions in lettering, but 95% of the insignia I have seen on anything US, from the 30’s up to current follow the formula to the letter. What makes matters worse is the numbers of the formula in a number of publications are wrong. When I did the artwork for Zotz Heavenly Bodies, (B-17E/F) I already knew that formula, from US TO’s, due to my warbird restoration experiences. Basically 5” increments radius, bar width is equivalent to the radius and height 1/2 radius. The tip of the star just touches the inside of the bar. The surround is 1/8 radius, often the mistake is made of measuring to the outer edge of the surround instead of the points of the star. On the early insignia, the points of the star go right to the edge of the disc, and the red dot doesn’t contact the inner points but rather the edges of an imaginary pentagon if you were to draw lines through the star. The red stripe across the bar on modern insignia is 1/6 radius in height. It’s that simple, yet somehow it’s often misinterpreted and results in unusable decals. There are exceptions, but rarely. I also noticed that Boeing, Douglas and Lockheed did have slight variations in the numbers used for serials, which I included in the Zotz sheets. I know nothing about Consolidated or the other companies as far as serials, but the ones on the Hobby Boss sheet are suspect.

It has always been a problem with a lot of companies with other countries Insignia etc. With all the information available online, there’s really no excuse. However decals are easily replaced and if you want a kit bad enough, the kit supplied ones usually aren’t a deal breaker.

Back to my FROG GB after tea.

 

Cheers

 

Jeff
 

[Scooby]

35 minutes ago, MrB17 said:

There are formulas for the insignia and lettering etc. Obviously these companies either ignore them, don’t have them, or the graphic designers that do the artwork are unaware. There are some slight exceptions in lettering, but 95% of the insignia I have seen on anything US, from the 30’s up to current follow the formula to the letter. What makes matters worse is the numbers of the formula in a number of publications are wrong. When I did the artwork for Zotz Heavenly Bodies, (B-17E/F) I already knew that formula, from US TO’s, due to my warbird restoration experiences. Basically 5” increments radius, bar width is equivalent to the radius and height 1/2 radius. The tip of the star just touches the inside of the bar. The surround is 1/8 radius, often the mistake is made of measuring to the outer edge of the surround instead of the points of the star. On the early insignia, the points of the star go right to the edge of the disc, and the red dot doesn’t contact the inner points but rather the edges of an imaginary pentagon if you were to draw lines through the star. The red stripe across the bar on modern insignia is 1/6 radius in height. It’s that simple, yet somehow it’s often misinterpreted and results in unusable decals. There are exceptions, but rarely. I also noticed that Boeing, Douglas and Lockheed did have slight variations in the numbers used for serials, which I included in the Zotz sheets. I know nothing about Consolidated or the other companies as far as serials, but the ones on the Hobby Boss sheet are suspect.

It has always been a problem with a lot of companies with other countries Insignia etc. With all the information available online, there’s really no excuse. However decals are easily replaced and if you want a kit bad enough, the kit supplied ones usually aren’t a deal breaker.

Back to my FROG GB after tea.

 

Cheers

 

Jeff
 

Thats tough on my brain, which is why I leave the hard work for the experts. 🙃

[janneman36]

So the conclusion is that the Witchcraft decals are for an H version and not correct for this kit!

[keithjs]

6 hours ago, janneman36 said:

So the conclusion is that the Witchcraft decals are for an H version and not correct for this kit!

Yes, indeed which is a right pain if you particularly wanted to build the wartime version.

I would assume the model is based on the flying one belonging to the  Collings Foundation aircraft which actually is a J....

Edited January 31, 2024 by keithjs