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5 hours ago, Stickleback said:

I begg your pardon, I don’t want to annoy anybody or be overly insisting, but you may try Mr. Google and search for these items as follows: 

Italeri re 2000 1/72 

or also for

Hyperscale re 2000 1/72

If I do so using my smart phone, I find in both cases, at first hand and before anything else, the

 

Italeri No. 1272 Reggiane Re.2000 GA, in 1/72

 

originating from 2009, designated by Hyperscale and scalemates explicitly as „new mold“. 

 

I don‘t own this kit myself, unfortunately, I can only refer to what I see and read in www, but still I seem to remember seeing it in the shops years ago…

Yeah, whatever.

I am surprised Italeri still have people believing their lies.

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2 hours ago, Robertone139 said:

Yeah, whatever.

I am surprised Italeri still have people believing their lies.

Thank you very much!

But let‘s relinquish this fruitless debate with its occasional subtle offensiveness, which I don‘t really like (who does!?).

Instead of that let’s look forward (or not, just as everybody likes) to the approaching new(ish) 1/72nd Italeri Reggiane Re 2002

(the Italian Thunderbolt, as somebody called it) to learn what‘s in the box, and to decide individually if we like what we find there, or not.

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On 21/09/2024 at 03:07, TheKinksFan said:

Italeri's version of Vintage Classics. And the price? Just 24,44€ for a newish kit from 1971.

 

 

You have a point.  Is my understanding they still produce in Italy that is more expensive than say Eastern Europe or the Far East.  Now, comparing it to a $20-$22 (atleast in the US) for an Airfix Vintage Classic is not much of a difference...Add to that a nice fresh set of decals...

 

Best wishes, TheKinksFan

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On 9/22/2024 at 3:05 AM, Bozothenutter said:

Not sure if srs....😉

Only slightly, if srs is 'sposed to mean serious. :unsure: I guess it works to save another paint colour & hopefully keeps the price down for their intended market. As a youngster, I was happy that I didn't have to paint the colour if the plastic was the right shade. :)

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14 hours ago, JFM148 said:

You have a point.  Is my understanding they still produce in Italy that is more expensive than say Eastern Europe or the Far East.  Now, comparing it to a $20-$22 (atleast in the US) for an Airfix Vintage Classic is not much of a difference...Add to that a nice fresh set of decals...

Hi Juan, I hope you are doing well. I am surprised how expensive Airfix Vintage Classic kits are in the US. In general there are big differences in kit prices between countries/markets or even different online stores in the same country. On kingkit Airfix Vintage single engine kits like Boomerang, Shooting Star and Hs 123 are £9-89 - £10.99. The same kits are £5.90 in Polish Mojehobby.

Italeri do have very nice decals, that is quite rare in today's kits. Unless they are mouldy, like my in my early SM.79  kit. It's impossible to find any aftermarket decals for early Sparvieros.

 

Getting back to the Re 2002, I started to suspect that the price was an error by Martola, but apparently not as a Slovakian store has it also on pre-order, for 26,90€ 😬.

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On 9/23/2024 at 10:38 AM, Stickleback said:

I begg your pardon, I don’t want to annoy anybody or be overly insisting, but you may try Mr. Google and search for these items as follows: 

Italeri re 2000 1/72 

or also for

Hyperscale re 2000 1/72

If I do so using my smart phone, I find in both cases, at first hand and before anything else, the

 

Italeri No. 1272 Reggiane Re.2000 GA, in 1/72

 

originating from 2009, designated by Hyperscale and scalemates explicitly as „new mold“. 

 

I don‘t own this kit myself, unfortunately, I can only refer to what I see and read in www, but still I seem to remember seeing it in the shops years ago…

 

You are not wrong that this kit was a new mould when first issued in 2009, in the sense that Italeri did not modify the existing Supermodel mould but instead decided to cut a new one. However they based the new kit on the old Supermodel one, retaining all the shape errors of the original.

Italeri wasn't the only one to do so, the Legato kit (one of the very first plastic kit of this company) was basically the same, a copy of the Supermodel kit with recessed panel lines and other new parts... but again retained all the shape errors of the original.
That's why I described the Italeri Re.2000 as an updated copy of the Supermodel kit and not as a modification of the Supermodel mould. Different kits but one based on the other.

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12 hours ago, GiampieroSilvestri said:

Like with every other kit with a bit of modelling skills one will get a more than acceptable Reggiane Re2002 out of the Italeri kit.

 

Saluti

 

Giampiero

 

That would depend on each modeller definition of the terms "more than acceptable" and "bit of modelling skills".

If more than acceptable means an inaccurate kit with a chair and pilot as only internal detail then the only skills needed would be the basic required to get a decent fit.

Such a model would feature:

- completely wrong fuselage section (just look at pictures of the model and check the relative height of the hump against the fuselage to see one of the problems)

- Horizontal tailplanes too far forward, with the result that they don't align with the tail

- an engine cowling that kind of tries to represent the one used on the prototype but fails to do so while looking nothing like the ones used on the production series, be it the original or the later with the lower engine thrust line

All the above mean that modeller who wants to have something that actually looks like a real Re.2002 would need the skills required to correct a not small number of things. Now the fuselage and cowling can be replaced with a number of resin parts issued in the past by a couple of Italian companies, assuming they could still be found (there's actually an RCR one on Ebay right now.. costing twice as much as a new Sword kit). The tailplanes can of course be moved to the rear.... alternatively the same modeller could buy the much better Sword kit, still available, at least in the late version, from a number of Czech shops for around €16.

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12 minutes ago, Giorgio N said:

the much better Sword kit, still available, at least in the late version, from a number of Czech shops for around €16.

I will get my early Falco from Mn-Modelar this week. They have both versions still in stock, for 14€.

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2 hours ago, Giorgio N said:

 

That would depend on each modeller definition of the terms "more than acceptable" and "bit of modelling skills".

If more than acceptable means an inaccurate kit with a chair and pilot as only internal detail then the only skills needed would be the basic required to get a decent fit.

Such a model would feature:

- completely wrong fuselage section (just look at pictures of the model and check the relative height of the hump against the fuselage to see one of the problems)

- Horizontal tailplanes too far forward, with the result that they don't align with the tail

- an engine cowling that kind of tries to represent the one used on the prototype but fails to do so while looking nothing like the ones used on the production series, be it the original or the later with the lower engine thrust line

All the above mean that modeller who wants to have something that actually looks like a real Re.2002 would need the skills required to correct a not small number of things. Now the fuselage and cowling can be replaced with a number of resin parts issued in the past by a couple of Italian companies, assuming they could still be found (there's actually an RCR one on Ebay right now.. costing twice as much as a new Sword kit). The tailplanes can of course be moved to the rear.... alternatively the same modeller could buy the much better Sword kit, still available, at least in the late version, from a number of Czech shops for around €16.

Dear Signor Giorgio!

You hit the nail on the head!

I started modelling when the available kits were exactly as you described.To put out something decent I had to use the techniques that you beautifully listed like cutting,removing,realining etc.

Using these skills one can make a nice kit a out of a not so good one.

It is only a matter of how much time one wants to invest.

 

Giampiero Silvestri

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6 hours ago, TheKinksFan said:

Hi Juan, I hope you are doing well.

 

In general there are big differences in kit prices between countries/markets or even different online stores in the same country. On kingkit Airfix Vintage single engine kits like Boomerang, Shooting Star and Hs 123 are £9-89 - £10.99. The same kits are £5.90 in Polish Mojehobby.

 

Italeri do have very nice decals, that is quite rare in today's kits. Unless they are mouldy, like my in my early SM.79  kit. It's impossible to find any aftermarket decals for early Sparvieros.

 

Getting back to the Re 2002, I started to suspect that the price was an error by Martola, but apparently not as a Slovakian store has it also on pre-order, for 26,90€ 😬.

Hello, TheKinksFan, I also hope you are well.  Thanks for asking.

 

Yes, modelling on this side of the pond has become really expensive. Italeri kits as you may suspect are very expensive, not to say Eduard or Tamiya!  Italeri kits like the Ju-86 or the Sparviero may go from 40 to 50 Euros.  Now importing from Europe is almost only for very rare items.  Ex., If I import directly from Hannants, It will be in my hands at double the price listed on their web site. The extra charges are shipping and import taxes.

 

Yes, Italeri has very nice decal sets.  That is part of their point of sale for me.  Regarding the Sparviero decals, Are they mouldy on the decal? or the surrounding edges?  If it is the latter,  you can use them, but you need to apply a coat of Microscale's Liquid Decal Film a couple of hours before using them. 

 

Cheers and have a great Autumn.

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On 9/24/2024 at 12:21 PM, GiampieroSilvestri said:

Dear Signor Giorgio!

You hit the nail on the head!

I started modelling when the available kits were exactly as you described.To put out something decent I had to use the techniques that you beautifully listed like cutting,removing,realining etc.

Using these skills one can make a nice kit a out of a not so good one.

It is only a matter of how much time one wants to invest.

 

Giampiero Silvestri

 

Giampiero,

I see your point, having started building kits in the late '70s I've had to go through a similar story: many subjects were only available in the shape of inaccurate and simplified kits and modellers often had to put a lot of extra work only to correct the basic shapes. Italian WW2 types were mostly represented by Supermodel and Italeri kits and club newsletters (CMPR, IPMS...) and magazines like Aerei Modellismo featured articles showing how to improve these.

I remember for example the list of corrections required by the Supermodel MC.202, that included using modified Revell MC.200 wings. Revell MC.200 that also required its share of corrections, something that I actually did in the mid '80s on a model that is still in my collection.

Not that Italian subjects were the only ones requiring such work: my first "conversion" was a MiG-21 Bis made from the original Matchbox kit, requiring the fuselage to be cut and spliced back, the spine built from plasticard and filler, moving the wheel wells... later KP issued their MF and this was welcomed as a great kit since it was so much better shaped compared to all previous MiG-21s.

It's exactly because I've lived that era that I feel that today  I have to give a balanced view of a kit. Sure every kit can be made into a great model with the necessary amount of time and skills, even worse kits than the Supermodel Re.2002 can be made into stunning models, just look at what some modellers on the forum rountinely build out of very basic vacforms. At the same time the skills needed for such work are the result of experience, dedication and talent. I've done my share of home-made conversions but I know that I wouldn't be able to build say a Combat Model kit to the level that others can achieve. To me reshaping a fuselage and scratchbuilding an engine cowling are not simple skills, they are advanced skills that not all modellers may have.

It would be misleading for me to say for example that the Revell MC.200 is a kit that just need some skills to result in a good accurate model. It is a kit that requires a lot of work to result in a good accurate model ! I did it once so I know what it takes and I have to be honest about it. For me it may have been a simple job, for others it may not be so and I feel I have to warn that to do so a modeller must cut/splice/scratchbuild. Those who read me will then decide based on their inclination if it's worth tackling that kit or not.

So back to the announced Italeri Re.2002, I stand by my view if they will simply rebox the Supermodel kit they'll offer an inaccurate and poorly detailed kit. If they then decide to really sell it for over €20 this would really be a rip-off. If they will issue a new kit, then I'll wait for it with interest.

For the moment being, we don't know yet so all this discussion may well be futile...

 

 

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I have some time building models...since 1975.  I have turned old Monogram and Matchbox kits into what I call "up to modern standards", I have developed skills out of necessity more than passion, the results are a great satisfaction. That is why I am still modelling. Nevertheless, I have the skills, love and good memories to still appreciate and look for models developed through the 60s, 70s and 80s.  They were really good kits for their time.  Now, there are many great options now for those old kits, those with the most demand, like Spitfires, Mustangs, 109s, Mig-21s, Phantoms, F-16s, etc., but for 70% of obscure subjects they are only available either in very expensive limited production kits or in those old kits from 40-60 years ago. 

 

When somebody (actually a very loud tiny minority) tries to destroy the reputation of Italeri, Revell, Heller, Airfix and many other legacy brands just because they don't like these companies releasing an old or "inaccurate" kit in their opinion, they are not only discouraging those companies from ever producing again those rare and highly sought after kits, but they are also destroying a BIG part of the hobby community and its history.  They are not "helping" at all.  Actually is a disgrace, it is a shame.  The scale aircraft modelling community is shrinking every day and that fact alone is lowering the demand for aircraft kits thus lowering the production volume.  It is not the 70s anymore. 

 

If I want to see if a model is worth buying, I will check Scalemates.com, Google it or ask directly in the modelling forums. Thank you.  If you don't like a certain subject released by a company, that's OK.   Yes, you can point out the inaccuracies and age of a kit, that's OK.  But it is not OK to try to destroy a company's prestige by speculating and attacking just because there is "better companies" or "life is too short for a crappy kit".  These companies are filling silent gaps and serving a larger market, they are giving urgently needed oxygen and extra miles to our scale aircraft modelling community by providing their products and attracting new modellers in.

 

I agree many of these companies are not being managed in such a way they could exploit their wares more efficiently, but We need to help them improve, not fight them.

 

My two cents, IMHO.

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17 hours ago, JFM148 said:

I have some time building models...since 1975.  I have turned old Monogram and Matchbox kits into what I call "up to modern standards", I have developed skills out of necessity more than passion, the results are a great satisfaction. That is why I am still modelling. Nevertheless, I have the skills, love and good memories to still appreciate and look for models developed through the 60s, 70s and 80s.  They were really good kits for their time.  Now, there are many great options now for those old kits, those with the most demand, like Spitfires, Mustangs, 109s, Mig-21s, Phantoms, F-16s, etc., but for 70% of obscure subjects they are only available either in very expensive limited production kits or in those old kits from 40-60 years ago. 

 

When somebody (actually a very loud tiny minority) tries to destroy the reputation of Italeri, Revell, Heller, Airfix and many other legacy brands just because they don't like these companies releasing an old or "inaccurate" kit in their opinion, they are not only discouraging those companies from ever producing again those rare and highly sought after kits, but they are also destroying a BIG part of the hobby community and its history.  They are not "helping" at all.  Actually is a disgrace, it is a shame.  The scale aircraft modelling community is shrinking every day and that fact alone is lowering the demand for aircraft kits thus lowering the production volume.  It is not the 70s anymore. 

 

If I want to see if a model is worth buying, I will check Scalemates.com, Google it or ask directly in the modelling forums. Thank you.  If you don't like a certain subject released by a company, that's OK.   Yes, you can point out the inaccuracies and age of a kit, that's OK.  But it is not OK to try to destroy a company's prestige by speculating and attacking just because there is "better companies" or "life is too short for a crappy kit".  These companies are filling silent gaps and serving a larger market, they are giving urgently needed oxygen and extra miles to our scale aircraft modelling community by providing their products and attracting new modellers in.

 

I agree many of these companies are not being managed in such a way they could exploit their wares more efficiently, but We need to help them improve, not fight them.

 

My two cents, IMHO.

Well said!!!

I have been modelling since 1980. I mostly build civil helicopters and since that subject is not popular among the current kit manufacturers, I can only (besides piling up second hand kits from the '70s and '80s) build re-releases . I have not bought or built a model of the 'newer'  manufacturers since DreamModel's AS365 and am eagerly awaiting re-releases of Italeri's Bell 412 and 206 (🤒), Matchbox's 365 and Heller's AS350. 

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Yep it always puzzled me that Italeri's 206 was a one and done - I NEED one in 80s A Team beige n brown!

 

But then it's always puzzled me that NO-ONE has kitted a 1/72 Boeing Stearperson except Revell at the dawn of the Ark and Pavla...

 

Wanders off mumbling... 

 

TT

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5 hours ago, TEXANTOMCAT said:

1/72 Boeing Stearperson

 

5 hours ago, TEXANTOMCAT said:

But then it's always puzzled me that NO-ONE has kitted a 1/72 Boeing Stearperson except Revell at the dawn of the Ark and Pavla


What exactly is a Stearperson  … Is it a computer glitch and you ment Stearman or something I’ve never heard of before ? 

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I thhink it is an attempt at humour by using the gender neutral term in the company name. I presume gghe reference is to the PT17. 

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Humour or otherwise, this thread has got horribly :offtopic:It needs to get back there ASAP, or we'll have to assume there's nothing left to say about Italeri's output for 2024, and shut it down :shrug:

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It has.

 

To bring it on topic. Italeri has released the 1/12 Bugatti Roadster for pre-sale.

I think it is great that they are committed to the scale and the model group of popular pre-war racecars.

 

I am very jealous as their previously released cars are masterpieces.

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11 hours ago, SprueMan said:

It has.

 

To bring it on topic. Italeri has released the 1/12 Bugatti Roadster for pre-sale.

I think it is great that they are committed to the scale and the model group of popular pre-war racecars.

 

I am very jealous as their previously released cars are masterpieces.

This, I think they are the only one to do 1/12 in plastic nowadays?

I wish they'd rework the old Protar stuff before tossing them out into the market though.

They could at least give them proper tires.....

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On 4/6/2024 at 10:23 PM, klr said:

Is the kit worth getting for the decal sheet I wonder?🤔

 

I see Italeri has plumped for RLM 84 instead of RLM 76 on two of the subjects.

Update re the Fw 190D-9: I bought one of the these, and was suitably impressed to the point that I bought another. With Academy, Tamiya and Airfix kits already in the stash, I'm probably going to do all the subjects over time, Other than the JV 44 aircraft, I've  never seen any of these late-war schemes being offered before with an Fw 190D-9 kit in this scale, certainly not all in single boxing. I guess for me at least, the Italeri strategy was correct.

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On 01/10/2024 at 08:47, Bozothenutter said:

This, I think they are the only one to do 1/12 in plastic nowadays?

I wish they'd rework the old Protar stuff before tossing them out into the market though.

They could at least give them proper tires.....

I agree.  A set of new tires and a small sprue to fix the most glaring mistakes of Protar would go a long way.

 

I thi k they are the only ones keeping the 1/12 scale alive. 1/20 (my scale) has died a death, so at least it is good someone still fun.

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Well, we know something more about the announced 1/72 Reggiane 2002! Italeri has added the kit to their website:

https://www.italeri.com/prodotto/3108

 

The kit is not the Supermodel one however it is clearly based on it. Italeri have added recessed panel lines and parts for a proper cockpit (floor, seat, instrument panel and the rear frame). They also seem (the sprue shots are quite small) to have put on the sprues a much more correct cowling, of the first type used. Wheel wells are now closed while they were open on the Supermodel kit. I can't understand if the position of the tailplanes has been corrected, the sprue shots on the site are not particularly big. In general a number of details seem to have been improved. The proportions of the wings and fuselage however seem to have remained the same of the original Supermodel kit. Even the way the parts are arranged on the sprue is practically the same so I espect shapes and sizes to have not been corrected with the exception of the cowling.

Decal sheets includes a good number of aircraft, covering Regia Aeronautica, Cobelligerant, an uncamouflaged aircraft at the factory (unusual choice) and of course a Luftwaffe aircraft. For the latter they correctly suggest the use of yellow undersurfaces, although the use of a 2-colour splinter on the uppers is debated.

The price on their website is set at €20, a bit less than previously mentioned by other shops. Good news of course although IMHO it is still steep for what I see. I'm pretty sure that other shops will sell the kit for less (as always happens with Italeri kits) however even at say €18 I feel that the price is on the high side for a kit of this kind. Others do better at lower prices, I guess that with a subject like this they may be aiming at hardcore enthusiasts of Italian aircraft and we all know how hardcore enthusiasts are ready to spend a bit more for their favourite subjects... still, IMHO €20 for a pretty basic kit of a WW2 single engined fighter remains a high price.

 

PS the kit may well be a modified Italeri Re.2000... afterall the Italeri Re.2000 was based on the Supermodel kit and the Supermodel Re.2000 and 2002 shared several parts... from whatever side you look at it, it's a rehashed Supermodel

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It certainly has Supermodel genes in itself. Just look at the panel between fixed and movable part of tailplanes - exactly like in Supermodel kit, nothing like 21st century tooling.

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On 10/1/2024 at 11:33 PM, klr said:

Update re the Fw 190D-9: I bought one of the these, and was suitably impressed to the point that I bought another. With Academy, Tamiya and Airfix kits already in the stash, I'm probably going to do all the subjects over time, Other than the JV 44 aircraft, I've  never seen any of these late-war schemes being offered before with an Fw 190D-9 kit in this scale, certainly not all in single boxing. I guess for me at least, the Italeri strategy was correct.

Snap. I did likewise for similar reasons though haven't seen it yet, but I did like their schemes & their decals usually work pretty well. :)

Steve.

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