Slater Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Has Germany ever operated this type in the past? http://www.investors.com/news/germany-buys-boeing-transport-planes-as-airbus-delays-continue/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom726 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Nope. Must be a slap in the face to Airbus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coneheadff Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Finally the Luftwaffe will have an operational transport aircraft. That must be a nice slap for Scarebus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorth Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Interesting article, but vague to the point of misleading with the final line: " Earlier this year, France agreed to buy the C-130, which is also used by the U.S. and other allies." France agreed to buy four C-130J aircraft to supplement their existing fleet of H models, some of which they've been using since the 1970s. While they are buying them due to the Airbus delays, the comment makes them sound like newcomers to the Herc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted October 5, 2016 Author Share Posted October 5, 2016 Presumably these will be in the monotone grey that seems so popular these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britman Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Would the ex RAF aircraft suit them as I think they are about to start retirement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-32 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I'm not sure I've ever seen a French C-130.....................rare birds. Airbus must be shi**ing a brick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 4 hours ago, upnorth said: IFrance agreed to buy four C-130J aircraft to supplement their existing fleet of H models, some of which they've been using since the 1970s. Not so early, the Hercules came only in the late 80's, 86 or 87. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascoteer Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 4 hours ago, upnorth said: France agreed to buy four C-130J aircraft to supplement their existing fleet of H models, some of which they've been using since the 1970s. While they are buying them due to the Airbus delays, the comment makes them sound like newcomers to the Herc. That's not strictly true. France is buying C-130J to act as tankers because A400 does not have the clearance (and probably never will) to tank helos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 They're very different sized aircraft with different capabilities. They both have loading ramps and propellers but that's where the similarities end really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeronut Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 26 minutes ago, SovereignHobbies said: They're very different sized aircraft with different capabilities. They both have loading ramps and propellers but that's where the similarities end really. In simple terms the Herc can carry 20 tons the A400 37 tons, it's cargo hold is also taller and wider, so a wider range of vehicles can be carried, especially as they are tending to get wider. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessica Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 2 hours ago, F-32 said: Airbus must be shi**ing a brick Probably not. " German officials said that even with the Lockheed deal, they would still buy 53 Airbus A400Ms. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 9 hours ago, Ascoteer said: That's not strictly true. France is buying C-130J to act as tankers because A400 does not have the clearance (and probably never will) to tank helos. 50% true again, as only two machines will be KC-130J. There's still a real need to supplement the shrinking Transall fleet in the pure tactical transport role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knaupel Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Germany and France will operate these together. Their base will be in France.... I think this deal should be a sighn for Airbus.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 The reason for the Luftwaffe buying those is expressly cited to Support Special Forces operations, as far as I have read. The Herc may be better suited for that specific purpose due to its smaller size. In the end the A400 will make the grade, but really the recurring problems are a nuisance - but I may be biased as a shareholder :-) This is my post #1000, but there'll be no champagne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentwaters81tfw Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I would love to see photos of the underside of the Atlas they trialled at Woodbridge for rough terrain ops. They really threw some sand and stones about, and that is a composite skin. Informed sources think that airframe will have a limited flying life ahead of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascoteer Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 2 hours ago, tempestfan said: The reason for the Luftwaffe buying those is expressly cited to Support Special Forces operations, as far as I have read. The Herc may be better suited for that specific purpose due to its smaller size. In the end the A400 will make the grade A400 for Tac Ops? Not a chance. It's too big, too vulnerable and, in all liklihood will never be able to do sim stick drops owing to the propwash.The RAF aren't even thinking about an airdrop RTS for A400 until after C-130 is retired. I suspect that Hereford will apply pressure to keep C-130 in service 1 hour ago, bentwaters81tfw said: I would love to see photos of the underside of the Atlas they trialled at Woodbridge for rough terrain ops. They really threw some sand and stones about, and that is a composite skin. Informed sources think that airframe will have a limited flying life ahead of it. C-130J has a problem with rough strip ops owing to impact damage causing delamination of the props (anyone who has operated a Herc off a rough strip will know about selecting reverse and watching the cloud of dust and stones moving forward to abeam the flight deck windows - any more reverse and you can't see); A400 will have this problem in spades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeronut Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 hour ago, bentwaters81tfw said: I would love to see photos of the underside of the Atlas they trialled at Woodbridge for rough terrain ops. They really threw some sand and stones about, and that is a composite skin. Informed sources think that airframe will have a limited flying life ahead of it. Only the wing skins and props are composite the fuselage is very much a conventional riveted aluminium structure. If they have any sense they'll have covered the surfaces likely to be damaged with the same polyurethane film the RAF uses on their Hercs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentwaters81tfw Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABV2tfa22qc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKs3jbLdZ0o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHxHpLddfNg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascoteer Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Very little reverse being used there. I suspect the aircraft was at minimum weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentwaters81tfw Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I wonder what would happen with a 40 tonne payload? There is 9000 ft of runway there as well. When they used reverse, the plane all but disappeared apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britman Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) Cant help thinking that we should have kept the Belfast a bit longer as compared to the Atlas they are about the same size. I know technology moves on but my point is that they all have their strengths be it Globemaster Atlas or Hercules. The Belfast was handy to have around if it was too big for the Herc.Also if the size and weight of equipment needed at the front line keeps going up then "we're gunna need a bigger plane guv". Edited October 14, 2016 by Britman missing words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatbox8 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 What I don't quite understand about this story is that after this announcement Lockheed's share price fell whilst Airbus' went up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 'cause maybe the market expected a statement like "s**t on the Atlas, we're going for the Herc!", but they remain committed to the Atlas? Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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