bootneck Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I would like to enter with this Short SC.5/10 Belfast in 1:144 scale by Welsh Models: It is a good size kit for 1:144 scale and should give me lots of hassle, frustration and pleasure building it. Mike 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Looking forward to this as im unfamiliar with the type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abandoned Project Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 You're a braver man than I! Still it looks like a good kit and a nice subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Alpha Yankee Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Wow, don't recall seeing a Belfast kit built previously. I would love to do one in 1/72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 Who says you are going to see one built this time Ray? Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebra Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Great choice Mike, looking forward to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandboof Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Will be watching this Best of luck Like the Vixen and Buccaneer in the background Martin H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I like the choice. Have thought about doing one for my 'Flown in Types' models. I had 3 hours in XR367( featured on the Welsh Models paperwork) from Brize! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 Thanks everyone; I hope I can do it justice after all this interest. Martin, the Sea Vixen and Buccaneer are scratchbuilds in 1:350 scale. I thought that, if I stuggled to make them by hand, some producer would bring out a kit of each to that scale....... Are you listening L'Arsenal? Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephLalor Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Looking forward to seeing how this pans out! I've two in the stash, with the intention of doing one as RAF and the other as Heavylift, if I can get transfers. I wonder if one can use the ones from the Welsh Models Il-76 kit. I'll be interested in your approach to the main undercarriage bays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 I haven't started yet; however, I have noticed that the thickness of the fuselage plastic is much thinner than normal WM vacforms. It is 0.5mm compared to 1mm on other kits and more like the thickness used for canopies, and this makes the large shape of the fuselage 'wobble' when handling it. I will probably line the inside with additional plastic for support, especially in the areas of the wing roots and wheel assemblies. I'm sure that it will be fine once the two sides are mated a glued securely. Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullbasket Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I like the choice Mike. Denzel's vacforms were a favourite of mine when I used to build wingy things. If I remember from my service days, the RAF boys used to refer to it as a Belslow on account of it's lack of speed. John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 On 20/01/2018 at 11:06, Bullbasket said: I like the choice Mike. Denzel's vacforms were a favourite of mine when I used to build wingy things. yes, I do like Welsh Models vacforms but really only the true vacforms and not the modern resin renditions. I mentioned earlier that the fuselage parts are quite thin; to try to overcome this somewhat, the insides have been give a layer of Mr Surfacer 500. It seems to have helped, although I shall have to scrape off areas where the bulkhead strengtheners go. The Belfast is a fair size model and I have placed the fuselage alongside a Revell C-130 Hercules and an F-Rsin Comet 1, all to 1:144 scale, for comparison. Now, before I start; should I be sensible and build it OOB or be absolutely loony and open it up and try to put some internal detail in?? Mike 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevej60 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Hat's of to you Mike as with anyone brave enough to takle vacform's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 Tackle? Oh yes!...... Succeed? mmm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Sensible ? Whats that ? ... Go on you know you want to put some detail in at least a cockpit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 Yes, but I don't know where the flight deck or the cargo decks are located 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Swindell Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 25 minutes ago, bootneck said: Yes, but I don't know where the flight deck or the cargo decks are located The flight deck is the bit with the windows at the front, the cargo deck is the bit with the big doors at the back.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 How did I miss that? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Mike, for my money, I'd keep it buttoned up. To do any sort of cargo hold you'd need to loose the B & C bulkheads which is going to loose you a lot of strength I reckon. I could be tempted by a 1/144 BBelfast myself but think I'd want to build as much strength in as possible. My happeth FWIW. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Swindell Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Steve's got a very good point there, opening up the back end is just asking for a load of grief. You appear however to have opened up the cockpit windows, so you could perhaps compromise by putting a bit of detail in there? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 If I am going to open up any internal areas, not necessarily the whole thing, then I need to work out where the panel and structure lines are. Working in white plastic, especially vacform, makes the identification of these lines difficult; it is also hard to see which lines are raised and which are recessed, if any. One method I like to use for finding the lines on white vacforms is to give the part a fine spray of black paint. As it will all come off later, I tend to use the cheapest rattle-can type I can find. After the black coat has dried I then, very gently, sand away the areas with a wet 'n dry 1800 grit sanding pad which then shows up the lines. In this view below, the nose area has been completed sanded back to show the black vertical recessed line and windows. The white lines show where the raised lines and hatches are. As can be seen on this fuselage, the doorways and hatch are at varying levels which suggests there must be stairways to some of the levels. The location of the port-hole type windows suggest an upper gallery deck? Anyone know how the internals are laid out? I really could do with getting hold of a scan or copy of an internal drawing or plan. That's it for now until I can work out where any decks or platforms go inside; before I decide what to include or keep closed. Mike 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davepb Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 On 1/19/2018 at 2:30 PM, bootneck said: Thanks everyone; I hope I can do it justice after all this interest. Martin, the Sea Vixen and Buccaneer are scratchbuilds in 1:350 scale. I thought that, if I stuggled to make them by hand, some producer would bring out a kit of each to that scale....... Are you listening L'Arsenal? Mike Hi Mike, I had some Gannets, Buccaneers and Sea Vixens from Shapeways in 1/400 scale. The Gannets with folded wings were pretty good! Most designers will re-size for you. https://www.shapeways.com/product/CH6BXAPZ5/buccaneer-faa-w-gear-x4-fud Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzn20 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 52 minutes ago, bootneck said: Anyone know how the internals are laid out? On the right side fwd lower fuse, there is a drop down crewdoor with steps (Think Sea King's) that leads to "spiral" staircase to Galley,Sleeping quarters (6 bunk beds IIRC) upper gallery cargo deck and Cockpit. Seem to remember a toilet halfway up the staircase, definitely a toilet near the S/case anyway. Then there is an optional so that means removable (Role equipment) Stub Deck that's roughly 20 feet long and width of fuselage that sits "around" C/pit floor level.Door to that Gallery at the top. There were steps up and down all over that level,step down to the C/pit step down to the Bunk area. Its all distant memories, last time I was on one was 1974 ! I spent from Feb 72-Nov 73 on them, not one of my favourites but looking forward to seeing you beat it, God knows we tried but it always came at bit us. Think I have a good cutaway of the Belf, I'll try and find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 On 21/01/2018 at 17:06, davepb said: Hi Mike, I had some Gannets, Buccaneers and Sea Vixens from Shapeways in 1/400 scale. The Gannets with folded wings were pretty good! Most designers will re-size for you. https://www.shapeways.com/product/CH6BXAPZ5/buccaneer-faa-w-gear-x4-fud Dave Hi Dave, that's interesting to note; possibly for the future; however, I do like to scratchbuild things and try as much as possible to practice when I can. My comment about getting producers to make them was a little tongue-in-cheek. Cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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