elger Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 12 minutes ago, Rakovica said: Not impressed with the boxart at all, to be honest. The Cheyenne tail turret is a way too short, while the bombs dropping down the stream are totally unrealistic. Seems to me that the Airfix artist often tries to put too much action in one place, for no reason. That chequered nosed 190 seems out of place timing wise with that B-17, but since Airfix have been using the box art to make connections between releases of kits (a 262 appears on the earlier boxing of the B-17, linking those kits in a kind of narrative) maybe there's a new, early 190 (A-5 or A-6) from Airfix in the cards? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelldoc Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 Okay, new markings, but where is a version with the "Mickey Mouse" radar? modelldoc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbolt Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 7 hours ago, Rakovica said: Not impressed with the boxart at all, to be honest. The Cheyenne tail turret is a way too short, while the bombs dropping down the stream are totally unrealistic. Seems to me that the Airfix artist often tries to put too much action in one place, for no reason. That tail looks horrible, some boxart's are done using the kit CAD model, I guess that didn't happen here. I suspect the same 3D model was used for their previous boxart, but the tailplane is obscuring the top of the turret so it's not obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stever219 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 4 hours ago, Rakovica said: Not impressed with the boxart at all, to be honest. The Cheyenne tail turret is a way too short, while the bombs dropping down the stream are totally unrealistic. Seems to me that the Airfix artist often tries to put too much action in one place, for no reason. Never mind the box art, feel the plastic! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 3 hours ago, stever219 said: Never mind the box art, feel the plastic! I agree! It's better to have good looking plastic and a lousy box art, than the other way around. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungo1974 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 Nice,but wheres the Early G model or B-17F....Come on Airfix you know it makes sense. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christer A Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Is there any chance of getting the Milk Run decals seperately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbolt Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Christer A said: Is there any chance of getting the Milk Run decals seperately? I'm not aware of any kit company that sell their decals separate to the rest of the kit. Your best bet is to find someone buying this boxing that isn't doing to that scheme. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Roberts Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 12 hours ago, Christer A said: Is there any chance of getting the Milk Run decals seperately? You could always ask for a set here on the forum after the kit has been released - I am sure someone will be happy for you to have these decals 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Is there an aftermarket set for an early tail turret? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 On 28/06/2021 at 14:44, Nero said: Is there an aftermarket set for an early tail turret? Not that I know of, but you could try to locate Academy early tail pieces which should be plentiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elger Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 On 6/28/2021 at 1:44 PM, Nero said: Is there an aftermarket set for an early tail turret? there is one; 3d printed, no clear glass. I have one, looks pretty nice but haven't tried the fit https://www.shapeways.com/product/QBWQN9W29/1-72-b-17g-early-tail-gun-for-airfix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasermonkey Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 8 minutes ago, elger said: there is one; 3d printed, no clear glass. I have one, looks pretty nice but haven't tried the fit https://www.shapeways.com/product/QBWQN9W29/1-72-b-17g-early-tail-gun-for-airfix It might be worth them doing a replacement Cheyenne too, seeing as Airfix have such trouble producing them to the correct size. You may remember my thread about the undersized kit parts for the turret. The replacements were only marginally better. I know that others have also had issues with these parts, whilst some have parts which are the correct size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightersweep Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 For some reason, I decided to offer up my Airfix B-17 to the Al Granger plans from the Aerodata International book. Anyone know how good the Granger plans are, because if they're good, then the Airfix B-17 seems to be 4mm to shallow in the fuselage. Couldn't find my Hasegawa Fort to compare that. Just curious Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Ranger Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 You might compare it to an official Boeing scale drawing, which you can download here: http://aviationarchives.blogspot.com/2016/04/boeing-b-17g-model-drawing.html This might also be helpful: http://aviationarchives.blogspot.com/2019/07/air-age-technical-library-boeing-b-17.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elger Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 22 hours ago, fightersweep said: For some reason, I decided to offer up my Airfix B-17 to the Al Granger plans from the Aerodata International book. Anyone know how good the Granger plans are, because if they're good, then the Airfix B-17 seems to be 4mm to shallow in the fuselage. Couldn't find my Hasegawa Fort to compare that. Just curious Steve Don't have the Hasegawa kit but Airfix is exactly as tall as Academy, fwiw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightersweep Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 @Space Ranger Thank you Sir! That looks like a really helpful resource. I will make sure to check that out. @elger Thanks! Interesting to know that the Academy B-17 is the same depth in the fuselage. I've seen some really nice builds of the Airfix B-17, but I often felt that the nose area looks a bit slim. Probably just camera angles etc, so I thought I'd check. I know the Granger plans are usually quite well regarded so it got me wondering who's got it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Ranger Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) 37 minutes ago, fightersweep said: Granger plans are usually quite well regarded so it got me wondering who's got it right. As a former engineering draftsman, I’ve long been an admirer of Granger’s work myself, but now I’m wondering about his accuracy. Wylam’s drawings have similar issues. I have other drawings that may be helpful, but I need to upload them to Flickr first. Stay tuned! Edited July 1, 2021 by Space Ranger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Ranger Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 As promised, here are more definitive B-17 drawings, all official Boeing products. First is this B-17G dimensioned general arrangement drawing: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Ranger Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Next, for those who want to get right down to the real nitty gritty, are these dimensioned fuselage center line profile drawings. Note that these are for the B-17E. I have not scaled them, so you may have to some jiggling of them to get them to 1/72 scale: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Ranger Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 And finally, the fuselage center line plan drawings. Same disclaimers as above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Ranger Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 (edited) As a bonus, here is a detailed nose profile. If my math is correct, it has been scaled to 1/72 at 300 dpi, but the forum software insists of resizing it to 72 dpi. So after downloading it, rescale it to 24%. Edited July 2, 2021 by Space Ranger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 On 29/06/2021 at 17:06, elger said: there is one; 3d printed, no clear glass. I have one, looks pretty nice but haven't tried the fit https://www.shapeways.com/product/QBWQN9W29/1-72-b-17g-early-tail-gun-for-airfix Thanks I'll give it a try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomprobert Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Wasn't the Airfix B-17 LIDAR (or whatever it's called) scanned? Therefore, I would have thought, it's pretty much spot in... Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elger Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 7 hours ago, Space Ranger said: As a bonus, here is a detailed nose profile. If my math is correct, it has been scaled to 1/72 at 300 dpi, but the forum software insists of resizing it to 72 dpi. So after downloading it, rescale it to 24%. Someone with the relevant software might also be able to compare these to the Granger drawings and see how correct they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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