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Peter Roberts

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  1. Sadly Edgar is no longer with us - he was indeed a great resource who spent many hours researching the archives at Kew and is greatly missed for his knowledge, enthusiasm and companionship. I finally found the thread I mentioned above regards cowling camouflage. Mark Postlethwaite provided input here and it is worth a read: PR
  2. That looks very good to me. Re: the cowling camouflage line. There was a thread here that discussed that, amongst other matters. Someone (sorry, name forgotten) had found that this changed during production, and was able to point to select serial number batches. I have tried to find the thread but failed because it was under another name that also eludes me. We need a search guru - maybe Troy can uncover it?
  3. Nice job finding a photo(s) of the plane! As Troy will tell you….. For what it’s worth I agree - about 24” codes Well done on nailing this one down pretty well.
  4. N3196 was manufactured in late 1939, first flying on 27 November. May give you clues to the original roundel, and any changes. (sorry, away from my own references at the moment)
  5. Nice find Jeff - that does look a bit like the blister used by Airfix, and Tamiya. It may be worth noting that the blister is for the ‘C’ wing, to enable two cannon per wing, but did not necessarily require the aircraft to be so equipped. Not many Vc’s flew with four cannon in combat, and when they did, it was only for a brief period.
  6. HGW IMHO, but a bit fidly as the straps and buckles are separate. I would also recommend 'peeling' the straps. I use a new craft knife to split the straps in two to thin them, which makes it easier to assemble them. If you want an all in one option the recent resin printed jobs look quite good, but I'll leave that one to others to recommend a particular brand and method of attachment,
  7. Good pick up - and I suspect the wheel well will be different too. Hopefully these will be covered off with the use of an ‘a’ wing in place of the ‘c’ wing, but a consideration if modifying the ’c’ wing.
  8. Note the armoured panel is now located towards the inside of the windscreen, and not prominently on the outside. Good clear photo on the bottom, you can even see the bolts securing the armoured panel.
  9. Hmm, think there was at least one at Farnborough at one stage - bit sketchy on that and haven't looked too closely. Too many other subjects to do. Sorry for the stray off topic - back to our usual programming..
  10. Wow, interesting project. Looks good so far. Canopy - early flat sided sliding canopy (Mk I) with a Mk Vc windscreen? Radiator - modified Mk XIV/XIX?? Is this the Spitfire III version you are making (as per photo in the last post)? Interesting to see the anti-fouling mechanism on the fin and additions to the u/c doors. That bulge above the exhausts does look a bit different, a little angular (?) - may be an optical illusion. And a Vb style spinner? Unusual prop. Any Aussies fly this? Hope not or I'll have to add it to the collection!
  11. Great story and info, thank you for posting. That sounds like a wonderful project. One other small piece of evidence - the Spitfire LO-P in the photo above wears Type 'B' camouflage, which would be consistent with an even serial number such as N3282. Not definitive but indicative.
  12. Nice find! Difficult when the serial number has been painted out. One little snippet - Sprague was apparently a member of ‘B’ Flight which fits (usually) with a ‘P’ code letter. Looks to be from a reputable source, even if not primary.
  13. More information here, and another possible subject, Spitfire Mk I, N3226 http://www.bbm.org.uk/airmen/Sprague.htm And here http://www.markhillier.net/resources/RAF Westhampnett 80th latest July 20.pdf
  14. Snap Troy! You answered just as I was perusing the Squadron ORB for September. I don't have copies of the ORB for other months prior to September, but for the subject, N3282, you would only need August as this is when the aircraft joined 602 Squadron. The ORB for 602 Squadron only has serial numbers, as do most of the Squadron ORB's. However, pilots usually recorded the aircraft code letter in their logbooks, so if you can get the two, you can tie up code letter to serial number by checking details for a given sorties across both sources. Sgt Sprague wasn't the only pilot to fly N3282. In September, Sgt Whall also flew this plane on 6th (17:55-18:55), 7th (11:55-12:15; 17:20-18:20), 8th (14:20-14:50) and 9th (17:00-18:20). This Spitfire was also flown by P/O Fisher on 9th (10:20-11:05). A long shot, but if you can find these pilots logbooks and check details for these dates/times, you should be able to identify, as best as one can these days, the aircraft code letter. There maybe other articles or record entries online for these pilots that have this information so these pilots may be worth a Google. HTH Edit - In case you are not already aware, Squadron ORB's are available from the National Archives UK. I would recommend you do an advanced search with 602 Squadron as the search, using information from AIR 27 documents, for the date period 1940 - 1940. This will give you a list of documents, each one typically relating to a particular month of 1940. There will usually be two entries for each month - one will be a summary, the other will be details of events. The latter will give you individual aircraft details. Good luck!
  15. Quite so Ed. In medical circles a 5% confidence level is usually standard, and statistical analysis is undertaken to determine the participant sample size needed to provide for that confidence level. It is then up to the efficacy of a medication/treatment to see if that level of confidence can be achieved. Further, there is usually careful monitoring of participants to ensure that all arms of a study have similar characteristics and appropriate processes are in place throughout the study. This includes blinding - that is, those undertaking the study do not know from which participants the data is coming. To compare one or two random subjects of a large population and then attempt to draw any meaningful conclusion from that comparison for the rest of the population would be a nonsense. I am not sure that medical study standards and criteria can be applied here though; I don't see how you could get enough aircraft of similar standard in each arm, imagining there are going to be a wide range of variables across each subject - length of service, engine(s) condition, battle damage, general wear and tear, etc. Maybe using a brand new aircraft, and the same setup, painted and unpainted, then repeat across a given number of new aircraft? Hang on, what? You need these for bombing duties? Sorry, you'll have to wait.... And - seriously? One coat of paint is going to smooth panel joins?? Thanks for posting RAF4EVER, some interesting footage. Not so sure about the commentary. I'm sure it will spark some good debate though!
  16. Don't mean to be a 'negative Nelly' but this was announced ages ago. I'll believe it when I see it, have become a bit skeptical about it. I hope I'm wrong 'cause I'm with you - a must have!
  17. A couple of more subjects here https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/X32025?result-token=r0VxY
  18. At least one pilot - a certain Mr James Edgar 'Johnnie' Johnson - is known to have used the maple leaf as 'nose art'.
  19. Wouldn’t it have been the opposite? I’m not big on this detail but my understanding, at least with the early Spitfire Marks, is that extra weight was incorporated in the tail to help with the CofG because there was so much weight forward of the CofG. Or have I got this wrong? Further, my understanding is that this improved with later Marks when some installations, such as fuel and oxygen, were installed in the rear fuselage. Or have I got that wrong too (?)
  20. A characteristic of some of us modellers brother! If I had a dollar for all the times......
  21. Just have to comment on the Lancaster posted by Troy. Check out those panel lines! And the lack of glazing on the rear turret. I can almost hear the comments if you built that one as is in the photos and took it to a club meeting or model competition...
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