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Navy Bird

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  1. Since I'll be doing XH134 in her retirement scheme, there will be little weathering as it was a recent paint job. She looked pretty clean, some fluid leaks, etc. but nothing like the photo with the moss growing in the wing root. Cheers, Bill
  2. Well, here are the strengthening plates, made to match the sketch provided by @canberra kid. The cut-out for the wing matches the profile of the Airfix wing, and therefore is different than the sketch. Here is the port plate just setting on the model, I think you can get a good idea of what it will look like. Note that the top edge is not parallel to the panel line, but instead slopes down towards the wing root. The rear of the plate, specifically the bottom of the angled surface, aligns with the horizontal panel line as shown in the sketch. The plates are made from 0.005" thick styrene, sometimes called "plastic paper." You'll also note that I filled some erroneous panel lines, and even added some. I did a test to see if this thin plastic would conform to a curved surface, and it worked just fine. So if this meets with the expert's approval, I'll go ahead and permanently attach them to the fuselage. If I need to, I will also scribe that panel line I circled in the above photo. Thanks for everyone's help, especially @canberra kid and @71chally. Slowly the elegant lady is taking shape! Cheers, Bill
  3. This is the panel line that seems visible, just wondering whether I should scribe it on the strengthening plates once they're on the fuselage. I'm also thinking about how I can make that moss in 1:72 scale... Cheers, Bill
  4. That panel line seems to be visible after the strengthening plates have been installed. Were the plates two pieces, butting up against each other at the panel line? Can I assume that panel line is where the rear fuselage structure can be detached? Cheers, Bill the Canberra Deficient
  5. You are a gentleman and a scholar, sir! Thanks guv'nor! Thanks, I'll scale John's sketch for 1:72 and make a new template to see what she looks like. And thanks for the link to the walkaround, I missed that one somehow. As far as the resin bits go, the big chunk of Pavla cockpit will fit in the Xtrakit fuselage with a bit of work. The major issue is the cockpit opening - whereas Airfix have a long shape that extends from the front of the instrument panel coaming all the way back under the rear of the canopy (because it includes the shelf behind the seat), Xtrakit have a much smaller opening that's basically square. You would need to enlarge the opening so that it's the same size and shape as Airfix. The resin wheel wells from CMK fit the Xtrakit wings easily. Cheers, Bill
  6. Well, after studying the photos, I came up with this piece of paper as an "idea" of what the strengthening plates should look like. I'm quite anxious to see John's sketch so I can compare. Certainly his sketch will be accurate - after I made this paper shape I laid it over the Xtrakit fuselage and it matches reasonably well, except of course the top edge which we know is off on both kits. So maybe my paper shape is not too far off. We'll see! One thing I guessed at was how far forward these plates go. I think I took this one to a point about midway along the length of the rain channel. Were these plates required due to airframe stress? If so, was it simply age related, or perhaps because of upgraded engines, etc.? How were they attached to the fuselage? I don't see any rivets in the photos. Maybe they used Tamiya thin. Cheers, Bill
  7. Hey John, you wouldn't happen to have a 1:72 scale sketch of the PR.9 strengthening plates would you? I'm trying to scale your photos, but I want to get it right. Cheers, Bill
  8. I bought the PR.9 a few years ago, but the Xtrakit came courtesy of eBay just a few weeks ago. I managed to pick it up pretty cheap - $25 with free shipping if my memory serves me right. Ah, you got a better deal than me! Don't feel sorry for me, I knew what I was getting into. If I was a monk, I'd probably be doing that self-flagellation thing. That would be great - what do you think the chances are? I still don't think it has to be moved. In your build of WT333, you state: Gary I had a look at the position of the vent mast and not only is that in the wrong place so is the tail bumper! it needs moving back to about in line with the leading edge of the tail plane! This is the same conclusion I arrived at above. This photo shows it quite clearly - the panel line, front of the tail bumper, and the leading edge of the panel line are all very close to being aligned. When we look at the fuselage photo you posted above, it's the PR.9 whose tail bumper is lined up to the leading edge of the tailplane. The B(I).8 is too far forward. On the PR.9, what seems to be wrong to me is the location of the panel line. It's too far forward of the leading edge of the tailplane. I just don't think there is enough of a reason to move the little guy. There are bigger fish to fry with this kit! This is a beautiful build, just exquisite. I love it! I'm a sucker for anything that's Raspberry Ripple (even ice cream!). Is this 1:72 or 1:48? I ran through your WIP pretty quickly, and missed what the scale was. I just got back from my LHS, and I picked up some 0.005" styrene, as @stever219 mentioned above. I think I'd prefer to make the strengthening plates from plastic, even if I have to sand them down a bit. Having a look at the BareMetal Foil that I have, it's incredibly thin. I don't think it will have the effect I'd like. I started fooling around with some stuff on the belly of the beast. First, the "lip" that Airfix moulded all along the original outline of the bomb bay was removed. Next, I filled some erroneous panel lines, namely the three lines that were supposed to represent the crash strips and one line that ran parallel to the hinge line on the starboard side of the bomb bay. (With my luck, that one is supposed to be there!) Then I ran a 0.020" diameter rod along the hinge lines to represent the rain channel. This was faired into the fuselage (just on the top side) with Perfect Plastic Putty. The photo makes it look like I just put strips of styrene there, but once it's primed you'll see that's it's been properly faired into the fuselage. The two sets of three crash strips per side were added right behind the bomb bay hinge line. I also added the two crash strips right in front of the nose gear, and the two that are right aft of the bomb bay on centerline. The crash strips were made by putting the pieces of styrene rod onto tape to hold it in place while I used a sanding stick to remove enough material to make them "half-round." The crash strips will be sanded down a bit so they are not quite so prominent. I will use some of the 0.005" styrene to represent the details around the forward fuel tank. There is one strip that is quite noticeable along the aft edge of the tank, and then there are what look like straps along the side. There are also two strakes that run alongside the square camera opening at the rear of the bay. These need to be added as well. Lots more to come, I'm sure! Cheers, Bill PS. It's not my intent to make this an epic, really it isn't.
  9. Just noticed something about the fuel tank that's in the front of the bomb bay. Airfix have a panel line down the middle along the longitudinal axis of the aeroplane. Looking at that nice big photo of the underside that James has kindly posted, I just don't see it. I'm thinking that puppy gets filled in. Cheers, Bill
  10. Nice! A rather prominent proboscis, but nice! Cheers, Bill
  11. Yes, I have the decal sheet. There's a picture of it on Page 1. It's a beautiful scheme. Nice photo! One of them has the panel line in the wrong spot, as they're both different. In John's photo of the B(I).8 hybrid (what is that? link please!) the tail bumper looks lined up to the tailplane leading edge. I'm still thinking the PR.9 is pretty much where it should be. Unless, of course, the tailplanes are in the wrong spot - ha! Don't want to think about that one... Cheers, Bill
  12. Thanks - is my Bare Metal Foil idea pants, or do you think it might be OK? Cheers, Bill
  13. On the photos, it looks like the front of the tail bumper is aligned quite closely with the leading edge of the tailplane - here is a photo that was posted earlier: The tail bumper on the Airfix PR.9 kit is lined up with the leading edge just like this photo. So is the Xtrakit. On the B(I).8 fuselage above, it looks like the tail bumper is a bit forward of the tailplane. Perhaps it's the one that is incorrect? Cheers, Bill
  14. One idea I have is to fill the lines that don't belong there, and then make up strengthening plates from Bare-Metal Foil and then put them in place. That way they would be ever so slightly proud of the surface, which I'm guessing they should be. The surface will have to be prepared well, though, as Bare Metal Foil shows everything that is underneath. To be honest, I hate the stuff, but I think maybe it's worth a try. Strangely enough, the drawing supplied by Airfix for the decal application is much closer to what you've shown here than the kit itself. Not 100% agreement, but much closer. One question though - shouldn't the top of the wing spar get thinner outboard, somewhere near the location of the flap actuators? Cheers, Bill
  15. It seems to match the photos pretty well. What do you think is wrong? Cheers, Bill