aeroplanedriver Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 The history of British involvement in Vietnam has been written about extensively over the past four decades, however a brief review of Operation Manticore will help place this model in context. As the US became more embroiled in the Vietnam Conflict in the late 1960s President Johnson continued to pressure British Prime Minister Harold Wilson to provide material support for the war. Johnson saw British involvement as a valuable public relations tool as opposition to the war grew at home. Despite Johnson’s continued requests for combat troops, Wilson continued in his opposition to British involvement. The prickly nature of the personal relationship between the two men did nothing to improve Johnson’s chances of success. The situation changed on September 19, 1967 when a Viet Cong bomb exploded in a Saigon nightclub killing 21, including four British nurses working for the International Red Cross. This act of terror opened just enough of a door for Johnson to approach Wilson again, and gave Wilson just enough justification at home to accede to the request. To make the British deployment more palatable on the home front Wilson proposed to Johnson that the request for military assistance should come from Australia. Perhaps correctly so, Wilson felt that coming to the aid of a Commonwealth nation would be more readily accepted by the British people than helping the USA. So, after much backroom political negotiation 42 Commando, Royal Marines became the first British military unit to deploy to Vietnam in June 1968. Two RAF squadrons also deployed in support of the Marines, 78 Sqn operating Westland Wessex helicopters and 20 Sqn operating Hawker Hunters. Within a year this small contingent had grown to over 6,000 troops, including Royal Marines, the Black Watch, elements of the Parachute Regiment, Royal Artillery, Ghurkas, and SAS & SBS special forces. The RAF contribution grew to include three squadrons of Hunters, two of Canberras, four Wessex units, a number of transport aircraft, and a flight of Vulcan heavy bombers. Two squadrons of Hunters were based with US forces at Da Nang, while the remainder of the fixed-wing combat aircraft were based at Phan Rang alongside Australian forces. Even though support for involvement was short-lived on the home front, more British units deployed to southeast asia over the following two years, peaking at 24,000 combat troops in country in late 1970. RAF involvement grew to involve Hunters, Canberras, Strikemasters, Vulcans, Victors, Phantoms, and Eagles. The Royal Navy also contributed forces to the campaign, including the aircraft carriers HMS Eagle and Ark Royal, along with their Scimitar, Sea Vixen, Buccaneer, and Phantom aircraft. All together British combat aircraft flew over 29,000 sorties during the conflict, dropping millions of pounds of bombs, and shooting down 37 enemy aircraft. As public resistance grew, both in the UK and the US, Britain began drawing down forces in late 1970, with the last British troops leaving the theater in September 1972. In total 65,328 UK service personnel served in the Vietnam theater between 1968 and 1972. Casualties were heavy, with 1,935 killed, 7,445 wounded, and 89 Missing-in-Action. A total of 55 aircraft were lost to enemy action; 12 Wessex, 1 Belvedere, 2 Sea King, 4 Scout, 11 Hunter, 4 Canberra, 9 Strikemaster, 5 Phantom, 2 Eagle, and a Vulcan, as well as 4 RN Buccaneers. One footnote to this bloody and divisive conflict came to light in the 1980s, when it was revealed that the nightclub bombing that acted as the catalyst to British involvement was actually engineered by the CIA. This bombshell could have been the death knell of the “Special Relationship” were it not for the close personal relationship between Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher. Reagan’s heartfelt public apology to the British people, and Thatcher’s acceptance of the apology led most people to chalk the incident up as one more example of the turbulent times that were the 1960s. This model represents a Phantom FGR.2 of 54 Squadron RAF, deployed to Phan Rang in March 1970. It still wears the WWII-style two-tone blue roundels that were worn during the first years of involvement in the conflict. By 1971 all aircraft in theater had been repainted with the normal red/blue or red/white/blue markings. The aircraft is painted in the standard early Southeast Asia pattern camouflage of tan and dark green, in this case in the later wraparound camouflage, which replaced the light gray or silver lower surfaces in late 1969. This aircraft is shown flying under the callsign DALEK 21, as it appeared on March 18, 1970. It is part of a CSAR mission to rescue a downed Royal Navy Buccaneer crew, who were both recovered with minor injuries. Two Phantoms provided CAS for the rescue mission, which was carried out by a Royal Navy Sea King helicopter, with a USAF O-2 aircraft acting as a forward controller. This aircraft survived the war, and is currently on display at the Imperial War Museum, Duxford. The second model represents a 64 Sqn Hunter F.12 deployed to Da Nang in 1969. Hunter F.12s acted as escorts for RAF and RAAF Canberras throughout their deployment to the SEA theater. This particular aircraft scored two kills, a MiG 17 and a MiG 21, both with Fireflash missiles, before being shot down itself but an SA2 SAM in January 1970. The pilot was rescued with minor injuries by the USAF. The Phantom is a Fujimi FGR.2 bought on ebay, already assembled but unpainted. The gear was missing, hence the inflight display. The Hunter is a Revell FGR.9 with the radome made from a 1/48 A-4 drop tank. I'm planning on expanding this theme with a Vulcan, Strikemaster, Canberra (when Airfix release them!), and maybe a Wessex. It's nice to be back at the workbench after far too many months away!! 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CockneyCol Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 Brilliant alternative history and the first time I've come across the idea of Brits in Vietnam - Excellent stuff! Cheers Col' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousDFB1 Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 Nice work and a great alternative history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovis Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 (edited) great what-if.... not as fictional as most others just on the subject of the markings, what actually is the story with the far east dark/light blue roundels? Edited August 2, 2009 by hovis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilgrim_UK Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 (edited) great what-if.... not as fictional as most others just on the nsubject of the markings, what actually is the story with the far east dark/light blue roundels? I could be wrong was it to stop being recognised asJapaneseaircraft having the red in the roundels taken out. Impressive what if models and fiction. Edited August 1, 2009 by Pilgrim_UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Dragon Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 S.E.A.C. (South East Asia Command) roundels, gets rid of the Red in the marking, W.W.II, Japanese and all that, also in Blue/White. Phil great what-if.... not as fictional as most others just on the nsubject of the markings, what actually is the story with the far east dark/light blue roundels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 Cool story! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexwh773 Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 Now this I like alot and Im looking forwards to the Canberra's Thanks for sharing, and nice to see you back on the boards Bexy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitfire Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Nice one, both the kits and the story, I'm a great fan of alternative history. Cheers Den Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovis Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 the roundels bit makes sense..... thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeroplanedriver Posted August 3, 2009 Author Share Posted August 3, 2009 the roundels bit makes sense..... thanks The logic bahind applying them for the Vietnam conflict goes back to the original plan to deploy Lightnings in 68. It was feared that the splash of red on a Lightning may lead to it being misidentified by the Colonial Cousins as a MiG-21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-32 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Love the Hunter, really nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomastmcc Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 cool ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stashaholic Steve Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Excellent alternative history and some superb modelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 excellent cover story and excellent models!!!! I'm not quite sure how I missed these but with me anything is possible! Have you expanded on the aircraft for this era? would love to see some more of your work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Sadly, looks like Aeroplanedriver hasn't visited the site since 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 that's a shame, there was some nice work there, plus lots could have been done with the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookenbacher Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Yeah, after seeing this I looked around for more of his stuff too. It's all great. He has some more recent builds on whatifmodelers.com. I guess I became a bit of a whif stalker - but this is so cool! Thanks for posting your builds Aeroplanedriver, wherever you are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 (edited) An interesting idea, but I don't think the fairing for the Marconi ARI 18228 Radar Warning Receiver would have been fitted in this timeframe? Andy Edited May 14, 2014 by andym Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XV107 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 The Vulcan did CA release trials of the ARI 18228 in 1973, so if you factor in the realities of a shooting war, it's not impossible to envisage it, or a similar system, entering service a few years earlier to address the extensive RF threat found over Vietnam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goggsy Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Great work and interesting backstory. I wonder what the lightning would have looked like if it had made it over there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 I imagine it would have been in serious danger of being mistaken for a MiG, so probably some sort of special markings would be in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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