Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Hello everyone .. Quick questions about FG.1 and FGR.2 Phantoms. Everything Ive been able to find says the camouflage is the same standard colors. Light grey belly with upper colors being dark sea grey and Dark green. Am I correct they never wore the complete wrap around in this color-scheme ? I think they went to the grey camouflage’s. The 1st being overall light aircraft grey. The other being light aircraft grey under Barley grey & medium sea grey. I think the change occurred sometime in 1980 or not too long after this ? I have 4 or 5 sets of 4 view drawings of each pattern. I was curious if I missed a complete wrap around pattern on Phantoms while searching. Thank you in advance for any help given. Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Womby Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 You are correct. RAF Phantoms never wore the wraparound camo. David 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Some nice Phantom Phootage here https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/1060022081?fbclid=IwAR0CJf8Blbm2b1FsXemTwscMnCD4JvOUDo7zJYOj6v33vk07BRWUHsjwrvQ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted November 18, 2023 Author Share Posted November 18, 2023 36 minutes ago, Julien said: Some nice Phantom Phootage here https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/1060022081?fbclid=IwAR0CJf8Blbm2b1FsXemTwscMnCD4JvOUDo7zJYOj6v33vk07BRWUHsjwrvQ 1 hour ago, David Womby said: You are correct. RAF Phantoms never wore the wraparound camo. David Thank you good sirs, both bits of info help in my quest. Julien that film was quite good, took several screen shots to help with my future build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buz Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Corsair Which aircraft are you planning to make and what timeframe? Buz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 The Modeldecals of the period are my go to about colours. I would send a scan but am not around today, sorry. Regards Robert 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 (edited) RAF Phantoms in camouflage were painted in the then standard Dark Sea Grey BSC.381/638, Dark Green 381/641, with Light Aircraft Grey 381/627 undersides. Phantoms never went to the wraparound scheme as the type had been retired from the ground attack/reconnaissance role by the time that scheme was being introduced in the late 1970s, remaining as a fighter which didn't receive that scheme. Roundels and fin flashes did go from the three colour type to two tone tactical type in the early 1970s. Edited November 18, 2023 by 71chally 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 The first 2 aircraft painted in overall Lt Aircraft Grey were done in late 1978, these being XV474 and XV418. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, 71chally said: RAF Phantoms in camouflage were painted in the then standard Dark Sea Grey BSC.381/638, Dark Green 381/641, with Light Aircraft Grey 381/627 undersides. Pylons on RAF Phantoms in this scheme were usually gloss white instead of LAG, with leading edges of the inboard ones usually in DSG. Cheers, Andre Edited November 18, 2023 by Hook 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 15 hours ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said: Hello everyone .. Quick questions about FG.1 and FGR.2 Phantoms. Everything Ive been able to find says the camouflage is the same standard colors. Light grey belly with upper colors being dark sea grey and Dark green. Am I correct they never wore the complete wrap around in this color-scheme ? I think they went to the grey camouflage’s. The 1st being overall light aircraft grey. The other being light aircraft grey under Barley grey & medium sea grey. I think the change occurred sometime in 1980 or not too long after this ? I have 4 or 5 sets of 4 view drawings of each pattern. I was curious if I missed a complete wrap around pattern on Phantoms while searching. Thank you in advance for any help given. Dennis RAF Phantoms were never overall light grey, they were painted Camoflage Grey (originally unafficially known as barley grey until encompassed in BS381c ) with light aircraft grey undersurfaces and inner wing surfaces (basically the non folding bit) medium sea grey. Selwyn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 (edited) 18 hours ago, Selwyn said: RAF Phantoms were never overall light grey As Dennis says (and per Jabbas' post) the first aircraft to trial the defence grey scheme was XV474 in an overall Light Aircraft Grey scheme, from October 1978 with 56 Sqn. XV418 wore a similar finish while with 92 Sqn RAFG. I think they both emerged from St Athan in the new schemes. XV486 also briefly operated in this scheme with the OCU, but perhaps it was left in overall light grey after the bright Alcock & Browne IAT markings had been removed from it. Edited November 19, 2023 by 71chally Sqn correction 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Ooh found myself getting excited by taking apart ERUs🤔 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat fingers Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 We did have a cab on 56(f) Sqn in the mid 80's (kilo if I remember correctly), which had the green and grey cammo scheme but had a light grey nose cone! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted November 18, 2023 Author Share Posted November 18, 2023 15 hours ago, Buz said: Corsair Which aircraft are you planning to make and what timeframe? Buz This what I am still trying to decide. I am angling towards mid to late 1970’s and either 29, 56, 92, or 111 Squadrons. I would prefer the green, grey, over grey but will switch to the all grey scheme if needed. Already have decals for Treble one but know the others are out there. 2 hours ago, Fat fingers said: We did have a cab on 56(f) Sqn in the mid 80's (kilo if I remember correctly), which had the green and grey cammo scheme but had a light grey nose cone! Now that would be a different look ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 12 hours ago, Fat fingers said: We did have a cab on 56(f) Sqn in the mid 80's (kilo if I remember correctly), which had the green and grey cammo scheme but had a light grey nose cone! It happened the other way around as well, several air superiority grey RAF Phantoms flew with black radomes. Cheers, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 15 hours ago, Fat fingers said: We did have a cab on 56(f) Sqn in the mid 80's (kilo if I remember correctly), which had the green and grey cammo scheme but had a light grey nose cone! Also seen pics of a 19 or 92 Sqn Phantom with similar, I guess those radomes took a beating! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan B Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Hook said: It happened the other way around as well, several air superiority grey RAF Phantoms flew with black radomes. Cheers, Andre There was at least one that flew around with an unpainted radome for a short while too (long enough to be photographed anyway). Duncan B 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 This is the one I was thinking of, XV490/S F-4M Phantom FGR.2 XV490 Sierra taxies out for departure from RAF Valley's runway 14, 92 Squadron Missile Practice Camp, 1985. by Phil Bradshaw, on Flickr This might be the one that Duncan refers to, http://www.thephantomshrine.co.uk/raf56/56.htm 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 The nose cone was easily swapped between aircraft when required. This is how 56 Sqn managed to get their Shark mouthed nose cone to be seen on more than one aircraft. 4 hours ago, Duncan B said: There was at least one that flew around with an unpainted radome for a short while too (long enough to be photographed anyway). Duncan B That was XV570 (BN) according to the British Phantoms Pt2 by Double Ugly books. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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