AdrianMF Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 I have been acquiring a set of Miles Masters: The parts are mostly flash free, and the plastic is very hard and brittle: My intention is to build one here as a Master MkIII, with a more detailed cockpit and a correction for the rear fuselage lack of taper. If time allows I want to do a MkII conversion and a Martinet conversion, using engines from a Revell re-pop of the Frog Blenheim, which is winging its way to a pickup point near me from EBay. Regards, Adrian 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 I'll be along for this/these Adrian, roll on the start date. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 Great to have you onboard Adrian. I'll put you down for three builds, however there is certainly no obligation to go that far. These kits actually look quite good and I'm surprised I haven't obtained one up to this point. That might change of course after this GB concludes! Cheers and best of luck.. Dave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterB Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Hi Adrian, Built one of these many years ago but seeing that you and Heather are building some, I refreshed my memory on the machines and was surprised. I have come across a few British planes that at one stage or another had several different engines, but many of these were used in one off prototypes or limited production runs - only a few used 2 or 3 different engines in major production runs and I had forgotten that the 3 marks of the Master each had a different engine - Kestrel, Mercury and Wasp Junior,which is quite rare. I see now why you are modelling so many. Guess a MkI with a Kestrel would be a bit tricky! Good luck - I will watch with interest. Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaddad Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 I sense another world of wet'n'dry pain comin' up! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather Kay Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, PeterB said: Guess a MkI with a Kestrel would be a bit tricky! At a pinch I guess the wings and rear fuselage might just be usable. The hard bit would sculpting a new nose and that huge belly radiator. Mind you, if anyone can convert a MkIII to a MkI Adrian can! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Very nice indeed Adrian and ambitious too. After seeing your Beaufort, you will have no worries at all I am sure. Good luck with your builds All the best Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted May 29, 2019 Author Share Posted May 29, 2019 2 hours ago, PeterB said: a MkI with a Kestrel would be a bit tricky! Not so much... If you have a look at the Trainers GB you can see the Pegasus Master Mk I built up after comparing it to the FROG Mk III. They are pretty close - the FROG kit is much better engineered, whereas the Pegasus kit seems a bit closer in outline to the real thing. I’m sure that you could cut down a Hurricane or Spitfire cowling to make a Kestrel one. Anyhow, Dora Wings are rumoured to be making a Master Mk I, which will be gorgeous if their other kits are anything to go by. Regards, Adrian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Law Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Isn't this the plane the 51sqn boys picked up one of they commanders from under the Germans nose during Dunkirk? Alan Deere was involved as one of the escorts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted May 30, 2019 Author Share Posted May 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Greg Law said: Isn't this the plane Apparently (from Wikipedia) it was a Magister (even slower and more exposed than this!). @Heather Kay is building one here (diorama ideas??) and I built one in the Trainers GB. Regards, Adrian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted May 30, 2019 Author Share Posted May 30, 2019 16 hours ago, spaddad said: wet'n'dry pain We’ll have none of that here! Strictly AOOB.* * (Almost Out Of Box) Regards, Adrian 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaddad Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Yeh right, we'll see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Law Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 5 hours ago, AdrianMF said: Apparently (from Wikipedia) it was a Magister (even slower and more exposed than this!). @Heather Kay is building one here (diorama ideas??) and I built one in the Trainers GB. Regards, Adrian I just checked this with Alan Deere's book Nine Lives. It was a Master. Most likely a Mk.1 I expect. I thought it was a Magister as well and ordered one from Special hobby. Only to find out that it was this one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted May 30, 2019 Author Share Posted May 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Greg Law said: I just checked this with Alan Deere's book Nine Lives. It was a Master. Ah, I guess that’s Wikipedia for you. Nearly right most of the time. Like that Abraham Lincoln quote: “Never trust what you read on the internet”... Regards, Adrian 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Hi Adrian 3 in 1, you could name an oil after that Really looking forward to how they turn out, lots of us have one of these so with any luck you will encourage us all to build them cheers Pat 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Humm Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 A Master I conversion from the FROG kit appeared in the first issue of Scale Aircraft Modelling in 1978. IIRC, the nose of a Hasegawa Spitfire I was grafted on to the FROG fuselage. You might need a bit of wet and dry on the kit as the Novo kits I have seem to have raised scabs on the surface looking as though there was rust on the mould. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Hi Adrian Any news on these 3 ? Cheers Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted June 30, 2019 Author Share Posted June 30, 2019 Hi Pat, I’m just (yesterday) back from a week away working. I’m keeping out of the way while Heather builds hers by putting together the Westland Wyvern. In my absence I’ve had some extra bits delivered so I can pick these up again after the Wyvern is done. Regards, Adrian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather Kay Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Adrian, I've rather hit an obstacle on my Master which may prove terminal. Please feel free to carry on with yours as and when. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted July 8, 2019 Author Share Posted July 8, 2019 The Wyvern is done and so rather than get more boxes out I thought I’d crack on with these. I don’t know if I need a separate thread for each kit in the long term, or whether I can have a single thread called “Miles Master - three ways” like some fancy restaurant dish, but I thought I would get some industrial production started for the cockpit details: Parts for three front cockpits and two rear - in the Martinet the back has a stool and the winch gear. Having bought a Revell Blenheim to get the Mercury cowlings for the II and the Martinet, I decided I didn’t want to waste the rest of it so I sprung for some SBS Mercury cowlings as well, which are dearer than the kit! Regards, Adrian 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinxman Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Very nice detailing - love it. I know what you mean about the SBS stuff - the quality is great but you certainly pay for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 One thread for all three works for me Adrian and am sure it will make things easier for you in the long run. Nice progress and am sure you’ll supply plenty of excellent modelling and scratch ideas as these builds develop. Cheers.. Dave 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Great progress Adrian Look forward to following these builds cheer Pat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted July 9, 2019 Author Share Posted July 9, 2019 Cockpit time: Thanks for looking, Adrian 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellybeard Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) Sorry to barge in late with negative thoughts but the Frog Master is a nasty pile of misshapen unmentionable. As it happens I have three kits of my own and have taken them out many times and put them away again. The problem is with the forward fuselage. The Master fuselage never really changed from the original Kestrel-engined shape. Miles added external wooden fairings over the original from the firewall back. Frog's amorphous blobby school of aircraft design totally ignores the origins of the fuselage. The original is much slimmer at the forward cockpit - of all three marks. Really, it needs an entirely new fuselage. I have cadded up shapes for x-plane and I suppose I could transpose them to .stl for printing but then I'd have nothing to complain about. Problems problems. Edited July 17, 2019 by smellybeard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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