Enzo the Magnificent Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Post your reference information here. Please note if posting artwork or photos you must either be the copyright holder or have the copyright holder's permission to post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbow Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) Edited March 13, 2022 by Longbow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 Lots of reference images here: http://the.shadock.free.fr/ The Sherman minutia page links to various recognition features by subtype and manufacturer. You'll have to follow the links in tanks in France through various regions to see preserved examples (and a lot of wrecks) - lots of Shermans alongside other types. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbow Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 Food for thought, weathering, and details. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Here's an excellent reference book for the M3 builders. David Doyle's excellent book M3 Lee Grant. The Design Production and Service of the M3 Lee Medium Tank, the Foundation of America's Tank Industry. Hoppy brought it up on Trickyrich's thread and I thought it deserved a wider audience. It's 470 large pages of information, with hundreds of black and white photos and a few in colour. There are hundreds of detail photos inside and out, taken during manufacture in the US. All the variants are described and illustrated. It's perhaps a little more detailed on the design and manufacture than the in-service aspects. I read it from cover to cover last year. It's well written and easy to digest. Unfortunately, it's over £40 in UK. https://www.amazon.co.uk/M3-Lee-Grant-production-foundation/dp/0993564682 (Only the cover photo is colourised and retouched in that ridiculous way, the ones inside are brilliant.) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEscaleSHOW Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 For all those interested, a few inspirations for weathering/ painting from my picture wall 🙂 Cheers! Not Colourised Colourised but great picture 👍 Colourised? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbow Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 That third pic, I’m really thinking that that is Not colorized. If it is, then they did an excellent job on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperService Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 There are thousands of books out there but for a starting point I can't rave about Dave Doyle's volumes enough. Listing HERE Enough information for most people without breaking the bank. Richard Hunnicutt's Sherman volume is a good overview of the whole Medium family but can be pricey. Many of the photos are reproduced rather small which can be a pain. Currently the ultimate nuts and bolts Sherman book is Son of Sherman Vol. 1 Took a long time to appear but was worth the wait, it goes for really stupid money but a reprint is planned, apparently. That aside Trackpad Publishing and Sabingamartin both have good photoalbums of Israeli and thus many postwar user's Shermans including Tom Gannon's books. Between me and my mate we have about 6 shelf feet of Sherman books and I can honestly say those above get used far more than any other. Remember out of 69000 or so built there are likely 200000 different models to be made before duplicating. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edjbartos Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 For those doing an M3 Lee or Grant, I found this site, which has a lot of photo’s inside and out and some useful diagrams... http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/pics/m3lee/m3lee.html All the best Ed 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfoot Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 If anyone is after the awesome M4 reference book, there is one on eBay (U.K.) at not too ridiculous a price currently. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Son-of-Sherman-Vol1-The-Sherman-Design-and-Development-1-35-1-48-1-72-/224907256480?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbow Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 I've asked this in the AFV Modelling, Armour chat section, but I'll ask here too ... What colour were track links when they were welded to the vehicle as appliqué armour? Would they have been left in their natural colour, in a factory finish, or would they have been painted to match the vehicle? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Longbow Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Robert Stuart said: I've asked this in the AFV Modelling, Armour chat section, but I'll ask here too ... What colour were track links when they were welded to the vehicle as appliqué armour? Would they have been left in their natural colour, in a factory finish, or would they have been painted to match the vehicle? I can't answer your question, fully, but I can say that they are probably not painted to match the vehicle. Just matching the dust and grime covering the vehicle. I'm not sure if track shoes were painted at the factory, for British vehicles, but @Das Abteilung can probably answer your question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsman Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 That's a good question. Spare track links were generally painted black. But I don't imagine that track links used as armour were painted at all. If they were then it would have been a colour appropriate to the base colour. Used track links would be brownish so they wouldn't really have needed painting for colour and there was no real need to paint for preservation. Being made from alloys containing manganese, rusting was not a particular issue. A surface oxide did form but not in orangey rusty tones. Initially a milk chocolate or milky coffee colour, changing to a dark chocolate or strong coffee color over time: months, even years. Something like this. Note how the worn area has barely oxidised here even 80 years later. If you are painting them on a US-supplied British tank, remember that we Brits by and large didn't have access to US OD paint so the greener SCC15 would have been used instead. On which subject remember that US OD No9 was not a green as some paint manufacturers represent. Being made from ochre and black it was technically a brown - although at the greener end. The only new Shermans supplied to the UK that would have been in the later greener 1944 shade of OD would be the IBs and IIAs used in Italy. Potentially also some of the remanufactured IIs and Vs received later in 1944. To my eye this is a good example of OD No9, despite being a recent repaint. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Thank-you @Das Abteilung, that answer makes sense. I'll go with appropriate browns for the appliqué tracks, and SCC15 for the main body (Firefly, so remodelled by the British). As to yellow ochre, that is an earth pigment, with its own, regional, variations (one pigment supplier, Kremer, lists about 10 different ochres in their earth yellow section) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEscaleSHOW Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Here are a few more inspiring pictures for those who are interested 🙂 Of course the copyright belongs to the owner of the images... like a Matchbox Dio base 😄 souvenir hunters the well-known sandbag armor the fastest way out of the football stadium 😁 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marklo Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 I can strongly recommend this, not so much as direct reference material but it gives a great account of the development of american tanks including the M3/4 medium tanks. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 Hello everyone .. I just found this photo in my files. Not sure where I got it but it looks like an M4a2 with some oddities ? The front appears to have the older small hatches ? Yet the turret has both commanders and a loaders hatch, 5 fuel caps, and a folding shelf hanging off the rear plate ? Am I wrong in Identifying this as an M4a2, or is it an oddball ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbow Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Can anyone tell me if the T66 track had a rubber pad on the inside, or if it’s a full steel link ? Thanks 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Taylor Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Longbow said: Can anyone tell me if the T66 track had a rubber pad on the inside, or if it’s a full steel link ? Thanks 👍 no rubber 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Can anyone tell me if I’m correct that T49 tracks are all metal, there is no rubber component to them ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mig Eater Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Yes the T49 was all metal too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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