Homebee Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 (edited) PJ Production has announced at the SMW 2016 a retooled version from its currently sold out 1/72nd Dassault Mirage IIIE kit This Mirage IIE kit was developped with High Planes Models (HPM). Review of the initial boxing in your favourite forum: Sources: https://www.pj-production.be/fr/avions-1-72/74-721026-amd-mirage-iiie.html https://adrianleguina.wordpress.com/2016/11/13/novedades-de-fabricantes-y-tiendas-en-telford-ipms-scale-modelworld-2016/ The sprues: http://imgur.com/a/l7pAn V.P. Edited August 30, 2022 by Homebee 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Is there any information on what has been modified from the original tool ? I remember this kit suffered from heavy panel lines, the test shots though don't look much better in those pictures 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 I rather thought it looked quite good, if a little over-engineered. A combination of the black plastic and the light is overemphasising the panel lines, though with the modern trend for filling them with black colour wash it doesn't really matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 16 minutes ago, T7 Models said: I rather thought it looked quite good, if a little over-engineered. A combination of the black plastic and the light is overemphasising the panel lines, though with the modern trend for filling them with black colour wash it doesn't really matter. As you're seen the test shots in the flesh, are they an improvement over the previous tooling ? The original kits really had very wide panel lines that showed too much with or without washes (actually washes give their very best on deep but very narrow panel lines, Hasegawa style). I know panel lines are a matter of taste but for a kit of that price I was a bit disappointed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 I've not seen the previous kit, but this one certainly did not have wide panel lines. They seemed nicely restrained, quite neat and narrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhizhou Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 I have bought the original boxings and studied the revised tooling at SMW this past weekend. I would never have considered finishing an original boxing in a NMF scheme because of the wide panel lines. With the new tooling I would try doing a NMF finish. I thought the new panel lines were a great improvement. Zhizhou 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 And for those of you that have built this one: Is this good news, or just another missed 1/72 Mirage III opportunity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 It's not available yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colossusfr Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 I have done three times the original boxing of this Mirage IIIE (http://maquette72.free.fr/articles/2012_92_93_94_MirageIII/index92_anglais.php, http://maquette72.free.fr/articles/2012_92_93_94_MirageIII/index93_anglais.php and http://maquette72.free.fr/articles/2012_92_93_94_MirageIII/index94_anglais.php) And I have seen the new tooling this weekend at Telford. I just can say that the engraving is much much better. The panel lines are now very fine and deep as we like. No more soft and heavy engraving. There is a big difference between old and new tooling. As this kit is quite easy to build and as it offers many options for almost all versions of Mirage III, this new tooling kit is now at the top of my wishlist. The kit should be available at the end of 2016. Alain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain goat Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 If I was my pet rabbit I'd be pricking up my ears. Will the price be correspondingly refined as well? Always was my biggest hurdle for purchasing. Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 I'm glad to hear the positive opinions of those who have seen the retooked kit at Telford, sounds like High Planes listened to the crticism and addressed the areas of complaint. The PJ box is not cheap but then it's also filled with resin, I'll have to treat myself to one of these ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted November 19, 2016 Author Share Posted November 19, 2016 (edited) More sprues pics. Source https://www.facebook.com/PJ-Production-773437519409144/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1189384781147747 V.P. Edited December 3, 2021 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted November 20, 2016 Author Share Posted November 20, 2016 (edited) The main parts before and after retooling. Sources: https://www.facebook.com/drewesmodelpage/photos/?tab=album&album_id=695014630675423 Quote Chris Brown was kind enough to send me a set of test shots of the freshly tooled wing and fuselage parts for their 1/72nd Mirage III kit. I have taken the liberty of photographing them both on thew spurs and in comparison to the old tool, having given both a coat of Tamiya Fine Surface primer to allow the detail to be clear and a direct comparison to be made. The difference is like night and day. The new tool lines are several orders of magnitude sharper and cleaner. There's simply no comparison. Mold limitations mean one or two softening lines in some areas due to draw angles and the like, but overall I'd compare the quality to the recently released Special Hobby Mirage F.1 kit, and in that sense I'm supremely happy! In the comparison pics, the new pieces are either on the left or on the bottom if that's the orientation. See for yourselves! I want a dozen. Many thanks to Chris Brown for remembering our discussion and sending these test shots out to me. Much appreciated. V.P. Edited December 3, 2021 by Homebee 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work In Progress Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Yes, much better. It's as if it's suddenly snapped into focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apex Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Looks much better indeed. But PJ recycled product number (721026 for both original and revised tooling). I wonder how can I tell which one is in the box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivand Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 10 hours ago, Homebee said: The main parts- before and after retooling. Source: http://www.master194.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=95794&start=25 On that forum, you can read how they changed the engraving: "en virant les épaulements des gravures" - which roughly translates as "by throwing out the shoulders of the engraving". The depth of the engraving didn't change, apparently, it only became finer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Russell Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 If they are truly sold out, as per OP then all should be the revised tooling. 9 hours ago, Apex said: Looks much better indeed. But PJ recycled product number (721026 for both original and revised tooling). I wonder how can I tell which one is in the box? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 (edited) On 15 November 2016 at 11:52 PM, Mountain goat said: If I was my pet rabbit I'd be pricking up my ears. Will the price be correspondingly refined as well? Always was my biggest hurdle for purchasing. Jay Just echoing Jay's thoughts... Something tells me that if this kit was on the market for a third off its normal retail price, I believe PJ / HPM would sell twice as many kits - if not more. You would think that a nicely tooled 1/72 Mirage - which now appears to be available with this revised tooling, is a subject that lovers of this beautiful aircraft would purchase more than one. I know I would. I've never seen any of these kits at my LHS, so I assume that most modellers also need to pay postage in order to add one of these kits to their collection. So yet another factor to consider before pulling out the credit card - and possibly then deciding otherwise. I'm realistic to know that we cannot expect these kits to be priced in the same region as your typical Series 2 Airfix 1/72 kits, however if thats what similar quality kits are priced at, then (IMO) that's where the starting point should be. I don't wish to sound like a wise crack, however those sprue shots look very much like a new tooled Airfix kit. I wonder how sales would go if this was sold in a nice red box - I suspect sales would be ten fold. Something to consider perhaps? Overall though, I appauld this revised tooling and hope it sells very well. Cheers.. Dave. Edited November 21, 2016 by Rabbit Leader Revised wording / grammar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 On 20/11/2016 at 9:38 AM, Homebee said: The main parts- before and after retooling. Source: http://www.master194.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=95794&start=25 V.P. Those pics should be credited to Drewe Manton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted January 13, 2017 Author Share Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) Source: https://www.facebook.com/HPMHobbies/posts/1359040624147547 Quote Moulding is in progress on the revised tool 1/72 Mirage III. The wing & fuselage sprues have been improved to make the panel lines sharper and fix the short elevon actuator. On the original release we had the elevon actuators on a separate sprue. The updated Mirage IIIO, Dagger, Nesher, Finger, MIrage IIID and Cheetah D kits will be available for pre-order soon. The Pantera kits and a new Mirage IIIO/D release will be available soon after. V.P. Edited December 3, 2021 by Homebee 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Well, with this, the Avant Garde Kfir and the XX Mirage IV, could 2017 be the year of the delta wing for 1/72 enthusiasts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff_B Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, T7 Models said: Well, with this, the Avant Garde Kfir and the XX Mirage IV, could 2017 be the year of the delta wing for 1/72 enthusiasts? Plus we have the Modelsvit Mirage 4000 to look forward to perhaps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 I wish they would give the same treatment to their Canberra and Sea Vixen kits! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomppa B Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 If anybody in the business of making kits by chance should be listening, a Mirage III B in 1/72 would be greatly appreciated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted January 21, 2017 Author Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) Source: https://www.facebook.com/pjproductionbe/posts/1252120088207549 Quote REEDITION MIRAGE IIIE – IIIR/RZ/5F – 5BA/BR au 1/72 Nous l’avions annoncé mais cette fois c’est effectif, la réédition de la série des Mirages au 1/72 que nous avons développée en collaboration avec High Planes est en cours de production. La gravure ailes/fuselage a été entièrement revue et est très fine. En ce qui nous concerne, nous proposerons les mêmes versions et références que précédemment mais dans un boîtage légèrement différent et plus solide. Les prix devraient rester inchangés par rapport à l’ancienne production. Les nouveaux kits seront disponibles à partir de ce mois de février. V.P. Edited December 3, 2021 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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