perdu Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Hi, I wonder if someone can help me with the paint colours for this model? When I bought it there were decent decals in the box but no instructions, these were found online but the writing is infinitesimally small and are illegible but seem to point at the green based scheme. Can anyone advise me which scheme applies to it, the box shows greys but writings online talk about Lichen Green and Dark NATO Green. I have retired cowed from the web and hope youse guys can give me a push in the right direction for it? Please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theplasticsurgeon Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 That looks like this, under different light conditions - dark green/lichen green. Looking like this Airfix GR7 There's very little contrast between the greens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 Thanks for that. They do look good in that green and lichen, is that NATO Dark Green on there or RAF Dark Green? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theplasticsurgeon Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Humbrol 102. Here's the colour page I was working from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Andy Evans in MDF 17 states NATO Infrared-reducing green BSC 381C:285 over Medium Green BS4800.12B.25, but I am quite sure this is the same colour that was called "Lichen Green" way back when the first GR.5 kits appeared. --- This question made me look up "lichen" as in fact I never bothered to know - learn something new everyday, even at progressed age 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_tonto Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 I converted a 1/72 Airfix Gr.7 a while back and I used a 50:50 mix of Vallejo Reflective green & Pastel green (70890 & 70385) for the underside Lichen colour. Whilst for the top colour I went with Tamiya XF-67 NATO Green. I think it turned out OK. Hope this helps and good luck with your build. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomBigStu Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Bs381c 285 Nato Green over BS4800 12:B25 Spruce (often instead called Lichen) Green Personallly found Xtracrlylix ANA613 and Light Slate Grey agreeable matches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Xtracolour actually produced a Lichen Green - my RAF Osprey was painted using it. Maybe they still do? I wouldn't describe it as being close to Light Slate Grey, though, more a medium green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mylo66 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Im `lichen` what your doing there........ i`ll get my coat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan_D Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 The instruction sheet is here https://downloads.revell.de/Manuals-Modelkits/04349.pdf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectroSoldier Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Hataka make the correct coloursHTK-A215 BS NATO (IRR) Green and HTK-A216 BS Lichen Green and can be found as singles or in theModern Royal Air Force Paint set Vol 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 8 hours ago, ElectroSoldier said: Hataka make the correct coloursHTK-A215 BS NATO (IRR) Green and HTK-A216 BS Lichen Green and can be found as singles or in theModern Royal Air Force Paint set Vol 1 Thanks for that, I am making that my Christmas pressie request to the management as I understand that earlier problems with Hakata paints have been resolved. Never tried them and there is always tomorrow. Thank you all for the assistance, some very lovely models there. Cheers and have a great Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomBigStu Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) 22 hours ago, Graham Boak said: Xtracolour actually produced a Lichen Green - my RAF Osprey was painted using it. Maybe they still do? I wouldn't describe it as being close to Light Slate Grey, though, more a medium green. I said acceptable, looks the part on the model, and the online swaths are pretty close, I’ll post a pic of the model when. I can Edited December 16, 2022 by PhantomBigStu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle85 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 I recall from memory using the Xtracrylix paints for a Gr.7 in this scheme many years ago, it didn't look far out at all but I might give the Hataka a go if/when I eventually find a Gr.5 in 1/48 scale... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectroSoldier Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 6 hours ago, perdu said: Thanks for that, I am making that my Christmas pressie request to the management as I understand that earlier problems with Hakata paints have been resolved. Never tried them and there is always tomorrow. Thank you all for the assistance, some very lovely models there. Cheers and have a great Christmas. Problems with Hataka? I had problems when they first released them but that was more down to how I was using them... I believe there were also some problems with bottle tops not closing but then you just send it back for a replacement. They are some great airbrush paints, I used them on a Hercules, and fully intend on using them on my Hasegawa Gr5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 Thanks, I was referring to the early paints as I remember reading about people having trouble with them, not heard anything off-putting for a long time now. And happily the Management agreed with buying me the set for Chrimble, happy me. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectroSoldier Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 22 hours ago, perdu said: Thanks, I was referring to the early paints as I remember reading about people having trouble with them, not heard anything off-putting for a long time now. And happily the Management agreed with buying me the set for Chrimble, happy me. 👍 Yeah I was one, I had a look at them quite early on in thier life and had a problem, but that was quickly fixed to be honest once I got used to using them and now I quite like them. No real different to Vallejo Model Air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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iainpeden Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 A couple of random thoughts. When the green/green Harriers first appeared with the underside colour unlike anything seen before, the story went around that it had been purchased at the local DIY store. A little earlier there was (were) a Harrier GR3 (maybe a couple in RAFG) that trialled a Dark Sea Grey uppersides and MSG underside; one appeared at a Finningly BoB show. Somewhere I have the idea there was also a GR3 in the two greens scheme but could be wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 minute ago, iainpeden said: A couple of random thoughts. When the green/green Harriers first appeared with the underside colour unlike anything seen before, the story went around that it had been purchased at the local DIY store. A little earlier there was (were) a Harrier GR3 (maybe a couple in RAFG) that trialled a Dark Sea Grey uppersides and MSG underside; one appeared at a Finningly BoB show. Somewhere I have the idea there was also a GR3 in the two greens scheme but could be wrong. You are not wrong, two GR.3s were indeed used for camouflage trials in 1984: XV738 of 4 Sqn. wore the two-grey scheme while XV809 of 3 Sqn. wore the two-green scheme. This was later approved for use on all new GR.5s. Here's a picture of XV809 in the scheme, although by then she had received a replacement rudder in the standard camouflage https://www.airfighters.com/photo/85300/M/UK-Air-Force/Hawker-Siddeley-Harrier-GR3/XV809/ Just to add something different, here's XV738 in the two-grey trial scheme: https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/8452874 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectroSoldier Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 hour ago, iainpeden said: A couple of random thoughts. When the green/green Harriers first appeared with the underside colour unlike anything seen before, the story went around that it had been purchased at the local DIY store. A little earlier there was (were) a Harrier GR3 (maybe a couple in RAFG) that trialled a Dark Sea Grey uppersides and MSG underside; one appeared at a Finningly BoB show. Somewhere I have the idea there was also a GR3 in the two greens scheme but could be wrong. Xtradecal did a sheet including the double green Gr3. I remember the two tone grey Gr3 doing the rounds in the early 80s. I thought it was later than '84 myself by memories are a strange thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent K Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 2 hours ago, iainpeden said: A couple of random thoughts. When the green/green Harriers first appeared with the underside colour unlike anything seen before, the story went around that it had been purchased at the local DIY store. A little earlier there was (were) a Harrier GR3 (maybe a couple in RAFG) that trialled a Dark Sea Grey uppersides and MSG underside; one appeared at a Finningly BoB show. Somewhere I have the idea there was also a GR3 in the two greens scheme but could be wrong. I think you'll find that BAE didn't pop down to Homebase Dunsfold to get thousands of cans of Dulux to paint the aircraft........... imagine painting a non aerospace tested and approved paint on a multi-£10's of millions aircraft and invalidate any military certification or release to service. I'm not sure any Engineer would have approved that! I recall seeing 4 Squadron on exercise at RAF Leeming in 1984 with a GR3 in the 2-tone grey camouflage scheme. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 hour ago, ElectroSoldier said: Xtradecal did a sheet including the double green Gr3. I remember the two tone grey Gr3 doing the rounds in the early 80s. I thought it was later than '84 myself by memories are a strange thing. I am sure that Modeldecal did both on one of their sheets. Whether it can be found now I don not know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 56 minutes ago, Jabba said: I am sure that Modeldecal did both on one of their sheets. Whether it can be found now I don not know. Sheet 78, where they included the individual markings and a set of stencils. Most of the sheet was dedicated to Lightnings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectroSoldier Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Jabba said: I am sure that Modeldecal did both on one of their sheets. Whether it can be found now I don not know. They did. As said above its on Modeldecal MD078 and can be found on ebay UK right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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