Andy H Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 I believe those are 'Kaiten' manned torpedos. On carrier subs he plane was folded with wings tight against the fuselage and stored in a tube hanger - looks like a ttight fit... Hope it helps. 🙂 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandsaw Steve Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 As I learned during my AE2 build many early submarines had collapsible masts for radio arieal lines and other gear that needed to be elevated when in use. I expect that in this case any mast or derrick or aerial etc would either be collapsible or retractable and would be tucked away before the submarine dives. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Gidday @Bill1974, submarines aren't my forte but I might be able to help a little. Although I-58 was initially fitted with a hangar and floatplane I believe it was removed in May 1945. She wouldn't have carried floatplanes on the open deck AFAIK. Some German U-boats carried spare torpedoes outside the pressure hull but these were in water-tight containers, I'm assuming below the casing. I don't know about Japanese submarines but as @Andy H says above, I-58 carried Kaiten human torpedoes and these were carried on the open deck. Regarding your destroyers, I don't think the Tribals carried much in the way of depth charges. The smaller destroyers or escort destroyers, corvettes etc were more likely to go after submarines. The Fletchers despite being large fleet destroyers carried the full suite of A/S weapons AFAIK. The USN destroyer escorts, such as USS England were certainly good A/S warships. In fact USS England holds the record of sinking six Japanese submarines in twelve days. I think her preferred weapon was the hedgehog rather than DCs. HTH. Regards, Jeff. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill1974 Posted February 11 Author Share Posted February 11 (edited) I've added another layer of structure gel mixed with gloss medium and a little turquoise.... And now with some cotton wool drapped and tamped in.... I've also added some bent thin plasticard sheet to form the bow wave..... I'll add some more gloss medium and cotton wool on top of the crashing bow wave when it's dry with some blue painted to the underside as photos. Comments and suggestions welcome 🤓 Edited February 11 by Bill1974 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandsaw Steve Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Watching with interest. 👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill1974 Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 So, it's dried and I think it needed more coverage to the cotton wool, so I've added more gel to that area and let it start to dry before prodding it again with my manly job brush, which has given it a great watery texture of swirling moving water..... (Proper technical term in abeyance) I have been suprised the way the cotton wool dried inside the gel, it seems to be hardly noticeable? It's not a bad thing as it gives the water a transparent look that has some depth making it look full of bubbles and this is great. When it's all completely dry in at least another day (dependant on weather I add more gel.....) I will use the Vallejo diorama effects foam effect which looks like slightly thicker white paint, we'll see if it was worth the little extra cost compared to simple white. I think it will as it's nicely thick and won't be running all over the place and I'm hoping will only need one 'coat / application' to give the white foam look. Comments and suggestions welcome 🤓 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandsaw Steve Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 That’s looking really good! You should be very pleased with that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShogunBallistic Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Really cool. Following with interest! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill1974 Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 It's still drying and I've managed to mangle the sub by putting it in front of my ceramic heater and the rails and such have withered.... Damn. I will just have to carefully remove those tiny handrails and scratch build some, talk about making life difficult! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 hour ago, Bill1974 said: talk about making life difficult! errr, 'challenging'! Yeah, heat and plastic aren't always a good combination. Regards, Jeff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill1974 Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 I have added back the bits that withered and added a new layer of gloss to the water, I'm gonna wait for another few days before painting the white foam as I want the gel to have completely and utterly dried before I deal parts of it with paint. Cables, railings and two machine guns and and 88 canon replaced, they don't quiet have the finesse of the originals but they'll do. Comments and suggestions welcome 🤓 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 That's looking really nice Bill. Good work. Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill1974 Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 52 minutes ago, Courageous said: That's looking really nice Bill. Good work. Stuart Thankyou that very kind of you to say. 😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busnproplinerfan Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Looks good. I have yet to make a water dio. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill1974 Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 5 minutes ago, busnproplinerfan said: Looks good. I have yet to make a water dio. Thanks, practice make perfect, so I'm going to do another before I go bigger on either of my destroyers. Not sure of what yet, something relatively small again, something with smoother water and not so much additional peakish waves with more subtle depressions. 🤓 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bissyboat Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Master class design of choppy seascape. looks very organic. ⚓👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Step Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Looking very good. It's a bit hard to tell from the pictures, but the white foam close to the hull and in the wake looks a bit to shiny. From my experience that part has a more matte look. I don't have too many of my old pictures digitalized, but this maybe shows a little bit what I mean? (Actually, here all the water looks more matte, so maybe not the best example...) Of course, it is much easier being critical, my own renderings of water never really matched the real thing. For my next try I will come back to some of your techniques ... Cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill1974 Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 18 hours ago, 2Step said: Looking very good. It's a bit hard to tell from the pictures, but the white foam close to the hull and in the wake looks a bit to shiny. From my experience that part has a more matte look. I've yet to paint the white foam areas as I've been hoping the gel will dry clearer near the bow, which it slowly has done. I had to carefully cut into parts near the bow to get it too dry clearer as it looked like there was white water where their shouldn't be, it's worked eventually and I've been adding thin layer of gloss to cover the cute from the scalpel. I've been decorating my flat, sanding door frames and rollering ceilings and such so haven't had time to do much other than add a thin coat of gloss gel to the scalpelled areas. I'll post a few better photos if I can when it dry. 🤓 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Step Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 7 minutes ago, Bill1974 said: I've yet to paint the white foam areas as I've been hoping the gel will dry clearer near the bow, which it slowly has done. I had to carefully cut into parts near the bow to get it too dry clearer as it looked like there was white water where their shouldn't be, it's worked eventually and I've been adding thin layer of gloss to cover the cute from the scalpel. I've been decorating my flat, sanding door frames and rollering ceilings and such so haven't had time to do much other than add a thin coat of gloss gel to the scalpelled areas. I'll post a few better photos if I can when it dry. 🤓 Aaah, reading the earlier posts again, I think you mentioned that. Sorry for not reading carefully enough the first time around And again: it is already looking pretty good - and better than any of my attempts at rendering water - Looking forward to the final results Cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill1974 Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 12 hours ago, 2Step said: Aaah, reading the earlier posts again, I think you mentioned that. Sorry for not reading carefully enough the first time around No worries, I'm as guilty for not reading all the blurb. Thankyou for your kindness in your reply, everyone makes mistakes and I have found that how someone reacts to that error speaks volumes of that person, and in that regard you have clearly demonstrated that you place on the healthy and respectable side of that 'line'. Onwards and upwards 🤓👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandsaw Steve Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Any updates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javlin Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 On 2/9/2024 at 2:05 PM, Bill1974 said: I am happy with the reduction of non wave like peaks, unless I have this wrong??? I have not made it to the end but each pic looks better to my eyes subtle the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill1974 Posted March 10 Author Share Posted March 10 (edited) Hiya all, I have been maga mega busy redecorating my flat and building new furniture and sorting out all my stuff, and all my kids stuff which is more than my stuff in size and quantity. The bin man is and will be busy.... I'm hoping to get back o to this again soon now I've began putting all my modelling stuff back in place and in reach etc. Touch wood I'll be able to crack on and finish this one and have a crack at HMS snowberry I have been eyeing.... We'll see. I spell checked my blurb above and have decided.... It's extremely likely that I will as the Fletcher and Tribal kits pe is so very detail heavy on the upgrade kits, I haven't even made one ship yet, only one submarine. I feel I'm biting off more than I can chew and need to practice, so HMS snowbury chasing down a Nazi sub it is! It's at a bigger scale and should prepare me nicely for more detail at a smaller scale for the Fletcher and Tribal class dio's. Now, I have seen (after downloading the pics above from scalemates that there are detail up kits for these kits..... Here we go again in adding more complication... 'Geez Edited March 11 by Bill1974 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psdavidson Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 18 hours ago, Bill1974 said: there are detail up kits for these kits. Just because they are available does not mean you have to buy them (sacrilege, I know ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill1974 Posted March 11 Author Share Posted March 11 26 minutes ago, psdavidson said: Just because they are available does not mean you have to buy them (sacrilege, I know ) They were also outside my price range somewhere around £200 for one and another had been discontinued even Hough the lit is recent, very odd. I downloaded the instructions for the add on kits and may try to scratch build some bits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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