looking for Rigging drawings for a Hawker Fury I (& Hart I)

[Duncan B]

I am building the Airfix Hawker Fury I to give me some more experience of rigging biplanes but have been unable to find decent references for the actual rigging layout. I have found rigging diagrams for the Hawker Hart and Demon but suspect they were rigged differently when compared to photos of the Fury. Can someone point me in the right direction to Fury rigging diagrams please?

 

Duncan B

 

4 Years later I am now looking for info on Hart I rigging and interior colours

[Work In Progress]

Most of what you need is either on here or visible on photos of G-CBZP / K5674. This is a rough scan of the Westburg drawings: the full set is available at a reasonable cost from the Smithsonian in the USA.

[Julien]

These might be of some use?

 

 

[Duncan B]

4 hours ago, Work In Progress said:

Most of what you need is either on here or visible on photos of G-CBZP / K5674. This is a rough scan of the Westburg drawings: the full set is available at a reasonable cost from the Smithsonian in the USA.

 

3 hours ago, Julien said:

These might be of some use?

 

 

Those are perfect, thank you both.

 

Duncan B

[JWM]

The most instructing for me in case of riging are photos

 

Just study those two takes carefuly

[Duncan B]

@JWM I have looked at lots of photos which gave plenty of clues but these photos are perfect as they are from a very good angle so I can see the whole story now so thanks for posting them.

The top photo also clears up a problem I was having with the drawings posted earlier in this thread. In the drawings they show incidence wires between the cabane struts that I was never able to see on any photos but it is clear that the cabane strut design changed at some point to include a cross member that replaced the cross wires.

 

Duncan B

[Duncan B]

On 2/28/2020 at 6:39 PM, Duncan B said:

I am building the Airfix Hawker Fury I to give me some more experience of rigging biplanes but have been unable to find decent references for the actual rigging layout. I have found rigging diagrams for the Hawker Hart and Demon but suspect they were rigged differently when compared to photos of the Fury. Can someone point me in the right direction to Fury rigging diagrams please?

 

Duncan B

Question to myself from 2024, where did I find rigging diagrams for the Hawker Hart? It's a shame I didn't save them or say where I found them as that would have saved me from the hunt now that I'm about to start the AMG Hart I kit!

 

I'm also looking for a definitive answer to what colour were the Hart I interiors when fresh from the factory. The AMG kit is lovely but the instructions are useless when it comes to colour callouts and explanations of the optional parts.

 

Duncan B

 

Note to future self: please state where you found the info (once you find it!)

[Paul Thompson]

Hawker Hart Family by Alex Crawford, Mushroom Models orange series, has lots of drawings and photos.. The Hart Family, Hawker hart and Derivatives Aeroguide no.5 has few useful drawings but some very clear pictures.. Came in useful when building my AMG kit. As to internal colours, not so good.

 

Paul.

[galgos]

I assume that the Demon's rigging was the same as the Hart, if so:

 

 

This drawing is from the Silver Wings kit, which shows the main flying wires as being two sets of parallel wires, but the upper set actually runs from a "single" point by the aft cabane strut thence to the lower interplane struts as shown.  Hope this is clear! 😄 and helpful.

[Patrik]

Hi Duncan,

have a look here for inspiration on the interior. Based on my own research.

 

[Dave Swindell]

19 minutes ago, galgos said:

This drawing is from the Silver Wings kit, which shows the main flying wires as being two sets of parallel wires, but the upper set actually runs from a "single" point by the aft cabane strut thence to the lower interplane struts as shown.  Hope this is clear! 😄 and helpful.

Minor correction - these wires are the landing wires, the flying wires run from the fuselage by the undercarriage struts to the top of the interplane struts.

The forward flying wire is doubled, the aft flying wire and both landing wires are single.#

[Duncan B]

Thanks folks, so I take it the rigging is as per the Fury above for the wing and U/C. The Silverwings drawing* shows a single wire either side for the tailplane or should that be as per the Fury too?

 

* Noted about the incorrect landing wires

 

Duncan B

[TeeELL]

Duncan,

  just read through this thread.  The earlier photo of K5674 answers your question about the support wires for the tailplane.  As an aside, the rigging was ‘RAF’ wire which is aerodynamic in section and explains why rigging wires can appear differently according to the position from which the photo(s) were taken.  Back` on 1st April, I decided to put some black fishing line through a set of modelling rolling bars - I thought I could create an ‘April fool’ for modelling forums by flattening the monofilament, trouble is …… it worked!  I am now able to rig my model biplanes accordingly!  The first model on which I will be using the ‘RAF wire’ fishing line will probably be my ‘silver wings’ Sopwith Snipe.

 

The Fury is rigged differently to the Demon - the Demon has slightly swept wings.  Many years ago  I wrote to ‘Silverwings’ advising them of the error in their rigging diagram of the Demon.

 

[TeeELL]

I realise this is a bit late but possibly quite important.  The photo of the Duxford aircraft shows doubled flying wires, I recall reading that this is a requirement of the CAA and not original on this type.  Worth looking at some period photos in case I misread/misunderstood what I read - having just done so - single flying wires feature in period photos.

[galgos]

Looks single to me too Tony:

 

 

It’s certainly important to me because my present build is:

 

and I hadn’t spotted the single flying wire! 

 

[Duncan B]

23 hours ago, TeeELL said:

I realise this is a bit late but possibly quite important.  The photo of the Duxford aircraft shows doubled flying wires, I recall reading that this is a requirement of the CAA and not original on this type.  Worth looking at some period photos in case I misread/misunderstood what I read - having just done so - single flying wires feature in period photos.

Thanks Tony, I am still at the painting stage so haven't started the rigging yet. On the photos of the Hart that I had seen it looked like single wires to me so that's what I was going with.

 

Duncan B

[Black Knight]

In my own photo of the Fury rigging, the leading flying wires are double, very close spaced, the aft wire is single and the landing wire is double as well