Marlin Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Looks like I'll have to spend a wee bit more money on another Russian jet during 2016. /Bosse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 After a quick search I found this pic which shows the underside to good effect...... http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Sukhoi-Su-27UB/2684269/L/&sid=fb1ba40cd8fe6d3449337e15926d1b92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Not absolutely convinced it is wrong. All that is hiding between the intakes and the upper parts of the fuseladge. It depands on what is visible. It is wrong Dio - the rear face of the Flanker main wheel bays are at right angles to the aircraft axis - Trumpeter (and now HB) have got them incorrectly angled. Here's the Trumpeter 1/72 scale J-11B kit.... Does it matter ??? - Once the engine intakes are fitted - you can only see part of the wheel bay anyway.... Here's a Trumpeter (and now HB) wheel bay with the intake in place..... .... compared to a correct (Zvezda Su-27SM) wheelbay.... So it's down to whether the individual modeller can live with it??? All of Trumpeters 1/72 scale Flanker range has the same problem - but for me, it isn't a deal-breaker. Whether you can live with it in 1/48 scale is up to you. Ken PS - Trumpeter got the angles correct on their 1/72 scale Su-33/J-15 - so they did listen. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robotics Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) TRUMPETER RULES!! Shape issues? No, more fun to build! Reg. Jeroen Edited December 30, 2015 by Robotics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrianm2 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 It is wrong Dio - the rear face of the Flanker main wheel bays are at right angles to the aircraft axis - Trumpeter (and now HB) have got them incorrectly angled So it's down to whether the individual modeller can live with it??? All of Trumpeters 1/72 scale Flanker range has the same problem - but for me, it isn't a deal-breaker. Whether you can live with it in 1/48 scale is up to you. Ken I have started to work on the Hobby Boss kit, wanted to see if the angle of the wheel well makes much of a difference... It did not make much of a difference with the Academy kit, I don`t even remember anyone saying anything about it I agree with Flankerman, not a deal-breaker for at all. A couple of pictures: Academy kit first Hobby Boss kit What do you guys think? Adrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petarvu Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I think this error is easily corrected. Canopy and lerx shape is much more important and 1/72 kit has flaws there. Check the comparison with Zvezda Su-27 1/72-side by side, unfortunately Trump kit just doesn't capture the cobra like shape of Flanker... P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) It's more or less the same shape problems of the original 1/32 kit. Canopy profile, wheel wells, nose shape. Haven't seen a good shot of the intakes yet, but I imagine it'll be similar. Like people have said, it doesn't have to be a deal breaker, each to their own, etc. Keeps the aftermarket industry going, at least! The Aires wheel well replacements for the 1/32 are engineered to straighten the kit ones out. I should hope their inevitable 1/48 version will do something similar. Al Edited January 5, 2016 by Alan P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIO Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Well as I said: "It depends on what is visible." And from what I can see not much can be seen after the intakes are added. So this one is not a big deal for me... Other shape issues, with the hood or the lerxs, might be more significant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I think this error is easily corrected. Canopy and lerx shape is much more important and 1/72 kit has flaws there. Check the comparison with Zvezda Su-27 1/72-side by side, unfortunately Trump kit just doesn't capture the cobra like shape of Flanker... P I've been taking some photos of my Flanker kits to illustrate the differences between the Zvezda Su-27SM and Trumpeter Flankers. First off, here's a near side-on photo of a Su-27SM wot I took at Lipetsk.... Here's the comparison photos..... If I could, I'd stick with Zvezda as they got their Su-27SM absolutely spot-on - but as they haven't followed it up with a vanilla Su-27 (or any other Flankers as yet), I'll have to make do with what Trumpeter are offering. Happy Flankering Ken 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIO Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Well, Trumpeter do not look that bad (thanks for sharing your photos!). Unless you have corrected things... The only Trumpeter kit I have bought is the Mig-23MLD, and that not without lots of concerns... I 'd like to take somethings as for granted for the modern era companies: Things like the general shape or dimensions should be correct. I don't want having to research to that level. Unfortunately, this is not (yet) the case, with the most outstanding example of Eduard's Me-109. Trumpeter is famous for being always... almost right! And this, I don't like... In that case (Su-27) I am not yet convinced that this could possibly be my second exception! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxmulder Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I think they got many things right. Front fuselage looks really really good to me. Comparison pictures with Academy is very telling. Now, we have a much better Flanker in 1/48 scale. Me buying at least two of this. And very excited about the other 5 variants coming, too. Especially Su-30MKK and "early" flanker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrianm2 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 In a Chinese forum some fellows modellers have done some work with a picture I took a few days ago... It`s not perfect but I think it is not far off. Adrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrianm2 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 I have been working on the SU-27 Hobbyboss over the last week. How is it? The build was straight forward with a perfect fit (No Putty Required), some work was needed in the intakes and a bit on the nose but still not putty required. The opinion that somebody may have of this kit (or any kit) I think depends on their individual expectation. In my case, what I was looking for was something better than the Academy kit and I think Hobbyboss has delivered that. More accurate in dimensions and shape, good recessed and raised detail, some of it missed completely by Academy and more importantly I was looking for the "attitude" of the Flanker, the attitude that Flankerman well describes as a cobra about to attack. Is the SU-27 Hobbyboss worth the money? Absolutely. Would I recommend it? I`m sure anyone who bought the Academy kit will be happy with the Hobbyboss effort so yes. Is this the ultimate Flanker kit? No but honestly, nobody was expecting it to be. Hobbyboss is offering value for money kits, one would never expect to find an state of the art model kit inside one of their boxes. I think the job of delivering the Ultimate Flanker kit should be put on hands of brands like AMK, GWH or Aviation Art (under their new name) to name a few, brands that are not willing to sacrifice the quality and accuracy of their products. Hopefully this build will be in the RFI section in the next week or so. Adrian 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keen Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) Hi, Adrian First, I'm sorry for the usage of your picture to make a comparision with the drawings without your permission. The drawings can be downloaded from this website: http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/su27aiv.html About the accuracy of the drawings, I've checked it by making a comparision with a picture of the real bird(http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4252869183). Looking forward for your working progress of the newest kit of my favourite jet! By the way, I come from China, not Japan. Keen Edited January 8, 2016 by keen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrianm2 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Hi Keen, feel free to use any of the pictures I post in Britmodeller, as long as it is for a good cause. Sorry about the mistake on the origin of the picture. Previous post corrected. Cheers Adrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomcat21 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Hi, Adrian First, I'm sorry for the usage of your picture to make a comparision with the drawings without your permission. The drawings can be downloaded from this website: http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/su27aiv.html About the accuracy of the drawings, I've checked it by making a comparision with a picture of the real bird(http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4252869183). Looking forward for your working progress of the newest kit of my favourite jet! By the way, I come from China, not Japan. Keen 天灭小号手,红星保平安!I just want zvezda's 1/72 Flanker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntPhillips Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Happy Flankering Ken Hi Ken, Nice collection, I was going to ask what was going on with the tail of the Trumpy SU-27 (early) then I realised it depicts the infamous Bort Red 36 of the P-3 Orion collision fame, nice touch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
March Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 天灭小号手,红星保平安!I just want zvezda's 1/72 Flanker! If unable to find the Zvezda, the Revell Su-27SM is a reboxing of the Zvezda kit, however I believe that the Zevzda has the edge in the decal department. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxmulder Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Overall shape looks GREAT. I am so happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIO Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) Are there any key differences between the Russian and the Chinese versions? Anything we should be really aware? (I don't mean things like the decals, but mostly structural differences). By the way, I am also happy for this one. It appears that we are even closer now to a decent Su-27. Edited January 9, 2016 by DIO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Visually, the main difference between a J-11B and a 'vanilla' Su-27 is in the drooped wingtip launch rails on the former - to clear the fins of the Chinese PL-8 missiles. Some of the other missile pylons are different as well. Some J-11B's are fitted with the Chinese WS-10 engine - this has different nozzles to the AL-31 - check out photos. The radome on the J-11B has raised lightning/strengthening strips - a different cockpit with MFD displays and HUD and slightly different RWR aerials on the fins and tailboom etc. My build of Trumpeters 1/72 scale J-11B (with WS-10 nozzles) is here Happy Flankering. Ken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIO Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Visually, the main difference between a J-11B and a 'vanilla' Su-27 is in the drooped wingtip launch rails on the former - to clear the fins of the Chinese PL-8 missiles. Some of the other missile pylons are different as well. Some J-11B's are fitted with the Chinese WS-10 engine - this has different nozzles to the AL-31 - check out photos. The radome on the J-11B has raised lightning/strengthening strips - a different cockpit with MFD displays and HUD and slightly different RWR aerials on the fins and tailboom etc. My build of Trumpeters 1/72 scale J-11B (with WS-10 nozzles) is here Happy Flankering. Ken Thanks Ken. Appreciated :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCZ Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Hmm, i today order Kinetic "Sea Flanker" and when i understand in it's own thread Kinetic have only moulds bought from another Chinese company when prepare to release a Su-33 only.... So, i have naturally an Academy Su-27 in my shelf too.... I'm very sceptic for accuracy of any Trumpy/HB kit, but i don't believe a any company make complete Flanker family... Are this Chinese version overall good ? (Within whell bay ?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fencer-1 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Hello, friends! As I can see in Adrian's pictures, tail part of chinese Flanker looks narrower, then Academy's one. If true, it's a sad thing, because the Academy Su-27 is already narrower, then should be in reality. The real thing should be 93mm between stabilizers in 1/48. Academy has only 89mm. Moreover, it has smaller engine gondola size and nozzle diameters. Again, real thing in scale has about 25mm diameter at the fuselage edge and Academy ~24mm. Not a big difference in size, but very noticeable visually. That is one of many reasons why Academy Su-27 looks so anemic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homerlovesbeer Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Hmmm how do these errors occur? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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