Hobbyboss F3 Pic

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Heres a pic of the Hobbyboss F3.... at the Nuernberg Toy Fair.....

http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/Ausstellunge...010_VH_134.html

Whats the consensus?

[Muzz]

As soon as I looked at it I thought the nose looks too big, is the wrong shape and the fuselage as a whole has too much of a curve along its length.

[SPerx]

YeeeeeUgh! It looks like a GR1 has been humped by a Fencer.

[sinnerboy]

well I know bugger all about Harriers, but it don't look right to me

[Mark M]

i dont like the look of that!

i was hopeing for a good one of there for a gulf bird , now im disappointed

[AnonymousFO98]

i don't care cos i got a Matchbox F3 in the stash

[cmatthewbacon]

...course, it could just be camera distortion on a quickly snapped picture. I think condemning a kit on the basis of ONE online picture is a bit hasty. Let's wait until at least a couple of people have them in hand, eh?

bestest,

M.

[dambuster]

...course, it could just be camera distortion on a quickly snapped picture. I think condemning a kit on the basis of ONE online picture is a bit hasty. Let's wait until at least a couple of people have them in hand, eh?

bestest,

M.

No! No! No! You really don't get this Britmodeller game do you?

Get a photo or image of a prototype/pre-production kit, list everything that is wrong, then go and buy one and spend 6 months hand-crafting new nose, wings, tail in a WIP post, get loads of kudos from fellow BMers, and look for the next photo....

Gone are the days when building anything OOTB was adequate for modelling satisfaction.

Peter - who'll build just about anything for the fun of it!

[SPerx]

No! No! No! You really don't get this Britmodeller game do you?

Get a photo or image of a prototype/pre-production kit, list everything that is wrong, then go and buy one and spend 6 months hand-crafting new nose, wings, tail in a WIP post, get loads of kudos from fellow BMers, and look for the next photo....

Gone are the days when building anything OOTB was adequate for modelling satisfaction.

Peter - who'll build just about anything for the fun of it!

Up to a point I agree with you, but when I am being invited to shell out circa. £45 for a model I would prefer it to look broadly accurate in shape.

I am, believe me, 100% with you on rivet counting and disputes about the precise colour of the pilots piddle pack. But are you going to say that, for example, the baby's thumb nuke; extraordinarily long control column; ludicrous bang seats and randomly scribed panel lines on the Airfix 1:48th TSR 2 were unreasonable criticism?

Post Script: Ref your avatar. Are you a King Crimson fan by any chance? That takes me back..........

Edited February 5, 2010 by SPerx

[Dave Fleming]

Hard to tell from the pic if there is any distortion or not (Look at the shelf edge) - the one comment I will make is that it doesn't look like the extended rear fuselage is there (look how far back the tailerons go)

[Mentalguru]

As soon as I looked at it I thought about going down to the Airfix offices to give everybody a b.j.

[turnerdad]

I hope for one that the "rivet counters" (ie those with a genuine and passionate interest in a particular subject) do go to town and dissect the kit piece by piece, 'cos therefore I would know what was wrong without having to spend hours researching it myself, and could then decide what to fix and what not to fix. Build a kit OOB then do just that, don't even look at anything associated with research!

Of course if you want to build something accurate then don't build HobbyBoss.

Edited February 5, 2010 by turnerdad

[buccymad]

As soon as I looked at it I thought about going down to the Airfix offices to give everybody a b.j.

opening times 0800-1600 monday to friday ,enter throught the back door ,they are expecting you

Edited February 5, 2010 by buccy mad

[zipper]

[cmatthewbacon]

...I've got nothing against rivet counting, it's just that rivet counting on one picture where the guy couldn't even get the model in the frame seems to be an exercise in futility.

And, Turnerdad, the HB Mirage III is the best compromise between accuracy, buildability and realism of the three that I've done. I get a bit fed up with this "Those darn ChiComs can't get anything right..." that crops up all the time on modelling forums...

bestest,

M.

[thx6667]

I get a bit fed up with this "Those darn ChiComs can't get anything right..." that crops up all the time on modelling forums...

And I thought I was the only one to notice that!

[Jon Kunac-Tabinor]

...I've got nothing against rivet counting, it's just that rivet counting on one picture where the guy couldn't even get the model in the frame seems to be an exercise in futility.

And, Turnerdad, the HB Mirage III is the best compromise between accuracy, buildability and realism of the three that I've done. I get a bit fed up with this "Those darn ChiComs can't get anything right..." that crops up all the time on modelling forums...

bestest,

M.

Except in this case the pic tells the whole story. From windscreen back this model looks exactly like Tornado IDS model I've been building. All the crappy badly researched faults are there still. It doesnt look like HB have done the larger "Hindenburger" drop tanks - or at least they havent stuck them on the model. Even from the pic the rear section looks to be the shorter IDS version ( so perhaps you could make an F2). The nose cone looks like it would be more at home on a Su 15 Flagon.

My suspicion, which alas, I bet is correct, is that the F3 model is the same as the IDS boxing with a long nose cone added.

From everything I've learned about Tornados during my long build of the IDS model, Hobby Boss just about screwed it up at every attempt (and as I've corrected most of these crappy errors, I am damn well going to state my piece here). I care not if they are chinese, 'communist' or otherwise. They could be from Margate for all I care. What they have done is badly research a subject that would have been real easy to research. They have tooled a lovely kit, its just its a lovely kit of a VERY inaccurate model.

Its sloppy, bad and to be honest, condescending of Hobby Boss to produce models like this. Personally, I'd leave it well alone, vote with your wallet, and make the morons at HB relaise that just cus its daintily tooled you are not going to fork out the best part of £50 for well moulded innaccuracy.

I dont normally get this worked up, but having flogged my way through the IDS, I think I can honestly say that we, as modellers, and as the people with the cash, deserve a WHOLE LOT BETTER than this POS. See I'm shouting, thats how effed off I am.

No offence to anyone here, but dont buy the F3 unless you want to rebuild most of it, or dont care what it looks like.

Rant off

Jonners

[AnonymousFO98]

HWGA

no not Hasegawa but , Here We Go Again

can't we just skip the argument and have a re-run of one of the innumerable and interminable disagreements about this from the archives?

[Jon Kunac-Tabinor]

HWGA

no not Hasegawa but , Here We Go Again

can't we just skip the argument and have a re-run of one of the innumerable and interminable disagreements about this from the archives?

Walrus - we dont need to. That pic tells you al you need to knoew if you have the IDS version of the model, ergo - its still pants accuracy wise.

Jonners

[Mentalguru]

Except in this case the pic tells the whole story. From windscreen back this model looks exactly like Tornado IDS model I've been building. All the crappy badly researched faults are there still. It doesnt look like HB have done the larger "Hindenburger" drop tanks - or at least they havent stuck them on the model. Even from the pic the rear section looks to be the shorter IDS version ( so perhaps you could make an F2). The nose cone looks like it would be more at home on a Su 15 Flagon.

My suspicion, which alas, I bet is correct, is that the F3 model is the same as the IDS boxing with a long nose cone added.

From everything I've learned about Tornados during my long build of the IDS model, Hobby Boss just about screwed it up at every attempt (and as I've corrected most of these crappy errors, I am damn well going to state my piece here). I care not if they are chinese, 'communist' or otherwise. They could be from Margate for all I care. What they have done is badly research a subject that would have been real easy to research. They have tooled a lovely kit, its just its a lovely kit of a VERY inaccurate model.

Its sloppy, bad and to be honest, condescending of Hobby Boss to produce models like this. Personally, I'd leave it well alone, vote with your wallet, and make the morons at HB relaise that just cus its daintily tooled you are not going to fork out the best part of £50 for well moulded innaccuracy.

I dont normally get this worked up, but having flogged my way through the IDS, I think I can honestly say that we, as modellers, and as the people with the cash, deserve a WHOLE LOT BETTER than this POS. See I'm shouting, thats how effed off I am.

No offence to anyone here, but dont buy the F3 unless you want to rebuild most of it, or dont care what it looks like.

Rant off

Jonners

CHI-COM-IST!

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Fuel:Fire... my pleasure

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[Jon Kunac-Tabinor]

CHI-COM-IST!

yeah right!

just dont want people to waste their cash on something that resembles a Tornado from a distance without knowing what they are getting into.

Jon Man chu

[Mentalguru]

yeah right!

just dont want people to waste their cash on something that resembles a Tornado from a distance without knowing what they are getting into.

Jon Man chu

One of best chums was going to buy me this kit for Chrimbo- but it had already flown off the shelves and we got something else instead. I am now so pleased he didn't. I will never part with a shekel for this travesty.

[AnonymousAA72]

No! No! No! You really don't get this Britmodeller game do you?

Get a photo or image of a prototype/pre-production kit, list everything that is wrong, then go and buy one and spend 6 months hand-crafting new nose, wings, tail in a WIP post, get loads of kudos from fellow BMers, and look for the next photo....

Gone are the days when building anything OOTB was adequate for modelling satisfaction.

Peter - who'll build just about anything for the fun of it!

But then its a game of two halves....one half for those that get fun from sticking bits of plastic parts together and one for those that get no fun whatsoever out of the hobby (apparently) because they are too busy getting a photo or image of a prototype/pre-production kit, listing everything that is wrong, buying one and spending the next six months hand-crafting new nose, wings, tail in a WIP post etc., .....................................................

Bill - who'll build just about anything for the drudgery of it all!

[zero]

Sadly I have to say it looks wrong. However 3 things.

1. How much is it going to cost.

2. How much will it cost to put right with after market bits.

3. Anything has to be better than the the mis-matched F3 from Airfix.

ie if the kit cost £29.00 and the error can be put right with a knife and a razor saw, i'll buy one

if it £25.00 to £30 quid and I have to spend £20 notes on After market bits I'd probably buy one, as thats what an Italeri kit would cost me, if I could get one!

However I'll wait for the box version, read the full story of the kit as per the box, and go from there, even at present, it still has to be better than Airfix's version sadly, which is a same, because with a few tweeks and updates, it could fill a massive hole in the 1/48 tonker market!