Davide Calzolari Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) was more typical the red spin or the black spin?and the stylized exagon wich meaning has ? Edited June 10, 2017 by Davide Calzolari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Black Knight Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Black spinner more common Hexagon is 85 squadron's emblem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davide Calzolari Posted June 10, 2017 Author Share Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) thnx exagon some particular joke/heraldic/esoteric meaning ? Edited June 10, 2017 by Davide Calzolari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 In World War 1 the squadrons used shapes painted on their aeroplanes to show which squadron they were; some used circles, squares, lines, etcetera. 85 squadron used a hexagon and always used it up until they were disbanded 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davide Calzolari Posted June 10, 2017 Author Share Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) thnx so much-i'm doing the 48sc revell(hasegwa)kit of hurri mk II and i've modified it in night hurri, ive yet glued the spin to fuselage and it's for me more simply make all..black..spin included Edited June 10, 2017 by Davide Calzolari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJP Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) A further small point on the hexagon marking. James Goulding writes that the marking was used by 85 Squadron in France in 1939-40. The French not being au fait with squadron code letters, 60 Wing (85 and 87 Squadrons) removed them and were given permission to substitute a device. 85 naturally opted to resurrect the hexagon. The A Flight presentation was point up, and B Flight on the flat. I'm not sure how long that (meaning the flight differentiation) lasted but it is the sort of tidbit that keeps modellers up at night. Edited June 10, 2017 by RJP amended for clarity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 It lasted right through, even to the Bloodhounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJP Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Good to know, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85sqn Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Was resurrected again on 85(R) Sqn as the students solo badge until the Sqn. folded again more recently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 18 hours ago, italian intruder said: was more typical the red spin or the black spin?and the stylized exagon wich meaning has ? usually black, red in few cases, eg 87 Squadron. pic above warbird real thing, a Mk.I 18 hours ago, italian intruder said: again bad profile, all the specific details are wrong roundel, code letters, fin flash : 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightersweep Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/10/2017 at 8:37 PM, italian intruder said: Very nice and useful photo there! I'm building the Revell Hurricane as LF363 in this scheme. I like the way you can still make out the GN-A codes from the previous colour scheme. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davide Calzolari Posted June 12, 2017 Author Share Posted June 12, 2017 ciao fightersweep: a fast question (for everyone) night black painted hurries were always mk II version with 4 x 20 mm guns or exixted even some all-black night hurri mk I with 8 x 7,7 guns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJP Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Quite right, Hurricanes were used in the night role early on, including the Mk I (8 guns) and also the Mk IIB with twelve, all .303. James Goulding's Camouflage and Markings No 3 - an excellent reference - illustrates an 85 Sqn machine and also has a photograph of a IIB. The overall black finish didn't come into use until late 1940 and any used prior to that were in standard day colours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 On 11/6/2017 at 15:09, Troy Smith said: usually black, red in few cases, eg 87 Squadron. pic above warbird real thing, a Mk.I Mk.I above 5 hours ago, italian intruder said: ciao fightersweep: a fast question (for everyone) night black painted hurries were always mk II version with 4 x 20 mm guns or exixted even some all-black night hurri mk I with 8 x 7,7 guns? Mk.I, IIA, IIB, all used Ian Gleed's Mk.I famous shot of 87 Sq after they got intruder camo (note paint flaking on LK-A wing) so were all black before this LK-T is a IIA with 8 gun wing Hurricane Mk IIB night fighters code SW-S Samasthans II of No 253 Squadron RAF lined up at Hibaldstow 486 sq IIA or IIB 30 Squadron RAF's Hawker Hurricane Mark Is “H” nearest) at Idku, Egypt, employed as night fighters 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 4 hours ago, RJP said: Quite right, Hurricanes were used in the night role early on, including the Mk I (8 guns) and also the Mk IIB with twelve, all .303. James Goulding's Camouflage and Markings No 3 - an excellent reference - illustrates an 85 Sqn machine and also has a photograph of a IIB. The overall black finish didn't come into use until late 1940 and any used prior to that were in standard day colours. Indeed, as these are available here http://www.boxartden.com/gallery/index.php/Profiles/Camoflage-Markings/03-Hawker-Hurricane here's the relevant bits for ease of reference Note comments on 87 sq intruder camo, and compare to photo below 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enrywar67 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 (edited) Hi...a question:what exhaust type are installed on VY X MKI Hurricane?On the web I found another serial:P3118 not LF 363 ....and what about the spinner?It's seam a Dh one's.....and the oil ring?.....can someone help me??Thanks in advice Enrico. https://www.worldwarphotos.info/gallery/uk/raf/hurricane2/hurricane-mk-i-vy-x-p3118/ Edited September 3, 2018 by Enrywar67 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 In the photo of VY.X above the propeller roots are thick, therefore this is a Rotol prop. It appears to be the late "bullet"-shaped one that became standardised, but was not common on Mk.Is. Yes to oil ring. There will have been a lot of VY. aircraft coded X, with a range of serials. X is the individual identifier within the squadron, and as an aircraft was replaced or lost a new one would gain the X. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enrywar67 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Thanks Graham,so for the serial what can I use ?The photo don't help....😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 From that lower photo, I'm not convinced it is either. LF363 is a surviving Hurricane Mk.II in the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight, so not the original in the photo. P3118 is an early serial, aircraft in RAF use from April/May 1940, so it is possible but it would imply a long time with the same unit, or perhaps a recycled example. The upper of the two photos, which I admit not studying previously, appears to be fitted with the earlier Rotol spinner, originally intended for Spitfires and wider in diameter and blunter than the later spinner. The photos of Mk.I LK.A in black show this early spinner, the one below it of Mk.II LK.A in camouflage shows the later spinner. The 30 Sq photo shows aircraft H with the DH spinner and propeller, the aircraft behind has the later Rotol. The exhaust on VY.X appears to be a variant not seen elsewhere, but it is not a good angle to judge from. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewolf Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Also currently looking to Build BBMF LF363 using Fly 1/32 IIc as VY X. Came across a decal sheet which has Fuselage Codes in Red, now seeking correct markings in Medium Sea Grey! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enrywar67 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Hi guys....another question:these black Hurricane was painted in black from the factory or was a overpaint on the normal green/brown camo?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Probably neither, but in the maintenance unit that fitted the assembled but unfitted machine with its armament, radio, and other service equipment. I don't recall seeing any photo of a Hurricane off the assembly line in Night camouflage, but I wouldn't rule it out completely. Certainly Supermarine, later in the war, were complaining about the excessive variety of camouflage schemes that were being demanded, and their adverse effect on production rates, so this suggests that it was possible that Hawkers could have been tasked with one or more runs of Night aircraft. When initially the squadrons were moved from day operations to night work, then their aircraft would have been painted on the unit (or so it seems to me), but this would necessarily have been a botch job as there would be no spray guns available at this time. However a blotchy appearance in a photo could well be due to the shortcomings of the highly matt Special Night paint (RDM2 and 2A). A smooth finish, such as those in the Hurricanes in Egypt, strongly hints at an MU job. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enrywar67 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 thanks Graham! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre B Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 On 6/12/2017 at 11:27 PM, RJP said: Quite right, Hurricanes were used in the night role early on, including the Mk I (8 guns) and also the Mk IIB with twelve, all .303. James Goulding's Camouflage and Markings No 3 - an excellent reference - illustrates an 85 Sqn machine and also has a photograph of a IIB. The overall black finish didn't come into use until late 1940 and any used prior to that were in standard day colours. Twelve .303 guns? That was news for me. I newer seen or noticed an Hurricane with more than eight guns. But maybe I didn't count the guns... What I understand would the new 1/72 metall winged Hurricane Mk.I be good as an nightfighter as well? Is there any manufacture making an twelve gunned Mk.IIB in 1/72? Cheers / André Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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