exdraken Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) As popular vote decided on the Helwan Ha-200B Al Kahira for obvious reasons, I gonna start with her: so what we have here is a Resin kit by Scratchaeronautics, a small Spanish resin genius who fortunately for some of us provides us with kits of rare and ultra rare subjets my deepest respect, doing this as a hobby besides being in the Military as a day (ahmm) full time job ! maybe we can push Juan to do a Ha-300 as well one day.... so after the C-101 I did some time ago in Patrulla Aguila colors, now the first of actually 3 Ha-200 Saeta kits I have! (a Super Saeta and a standard Trainer will follow soon I hope!) but the Egyptian variant is the most interesting one of this already very interesting jet trainer! Designed by knowbody else as but Willy Messerschmitt, in Franco ruled Spain of the post civil war era for the Spanish airforce. Produced under licence by Helwan near Cairo- Al Kahira!! that was when Egypt still had higher aspirations and was not deeply entangled with fighting Israel, only small scale conflict then...... it is not really known how many were actually produced in Egypt, and what is their service history, mainly because production and use was severly affected by the 6 days war in 1967..... so, that is what you get: not too many part, or complicated instructions, but some filing and dryfitting will be necessary! most of the parts are flawlessly cast, the tanks have some smaller holes or little craters form bubbles... but nothing serious! the decals look very good, but need a varnish before dipping them into water!. A white background is provided where needed. some pictures exist, but I'd be glad so see more! @Artie has posted some here: one more in the Egyption Airfoce Museum, even with armament! http://www.aviationmuseum.eu/Blogvorm/almaza-airport-museum/#jp-carousel-16426 (looks like Sakr rockets, as used on the MiG-17.....) and one more form later times, by the fact that the roundels have changed to the current one.... (late 1970ies?) http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww3/f/404/6/0#1 I started cleaning the main parts, so far so good! cheers, Werner Edited February 23, 2019 by exdraken 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Interesting project you are building Werner. But looks like a bit of work. 17 hours ago, exdraken said: and one more form later times, by the fact that the roundels have changed to the current one.... (late 1970ies?) http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww3/f/404/6/0#1 Actually this picture is from 1988, at least that was when I took it Here a better picture. This is a preserved aircraft and the markings are not very authentic. The colours do look a bit different than in the picture you linked as it is a copy of a copy of a copy. Cheers, Peter 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted February 24, 2019 Author Share Posted February 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Basilisk said: Interesting project you are building Werner. But looks like a bit of work. Actually this picture is from 1988, at least that was when I took it Here a better picture. This is a preserved aircraft and the markings are not very authentic. The colours do look a bit different than in the picture you linked as it is a copy of a copy of a copy. Cheers, Peter Wow! Great! I hope you do not mind seeing it here again! Regarding colorsm interesting! I assumed the photo was taken in bright sunlight and that the plane was in natural or painted aluminium! I also assumed it being operational! As the Egypt Air Force changed name, roundels and flag several times ... late 70ies would have been the earliest.. the Eagle design is the straight, hard angled more or less current one...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex77 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Nice and rarely seen kit you are building! Looking forward to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenoz Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 looks like a nice resin kit of an obscure aircraft I've never heard off. Been looking for a while to kits of this manufacturer (very interesting subjects), but a bit expensive (although for a resin kit and the work involved till you get that resin kit... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Excellent subject choice Werner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Hi Werner Have you had a chance to make a start yet. I have never heard of either the aircraft or the kit manufacturer before but the kit looks the business ! cheers Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted March 19, 2019 Author Share Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) On 3/17/2019 at 10:36 AM, JOCKNEY said: Hi Werner Have you had a chance to make a start yet. I have never heard of either the aircraft or the kit manufacturer before but the kit looks the business ! cheers Pat Hi, thanks for asking! Actually not a lot..... a Spirit flying into my bench ... I cleaned up the fuselage joints and some parts.... cockpit needs painting grey now anybody has an idea which kind of ejection seat the Saeta used? any aftermarket available? but maybe the kit ones are fine enough..... maybe it was not even an ejection seat, but only a seat after all! Edited March 19, 2019 by exdraken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 probably not worth an update... though better this than nothing , 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 (edited) a bit darker IP base, and some resin dust later: still not fully sure if I will use these seats... alternatives??? Edited March 29, 2019 by exdraken 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) Boy, this stuff is rough I thought resin casting gives you all this minute detail This kit lacks greatly in internal details and it is maybe not worth the effort to replace the seats as the whole cockpit can do with lots of extra detail. Looks like the Saeta didn't use ejection seats and I assume that the Helwan version was the same. More pictures here. In case you replace the seats, maybe you can scratch build them with three plasticard pieces (two sides and bent central part) or maybe there is some resin stuff around for a seat like that. Wish you luck. Cheers, Peter Edited March 30, 2019 by Basilisk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Perhaps thinning the seat sides and back a little then draping a set of belts over them will help? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) Did any other types use the same seats ? Maybe you can get some etter obes that way ? Edited March 30, 2019 by Corsairfoxfouruncle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted March 30, 2019 Author Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, Basilisk said: Boy, this stuff is rough I thought resin casting gives you all this minute detail This kit lacks greatly in internal details and it is maybe not worth the effort to replace the seats as the whole cockpit can do with lots of extra detail. Thanks for the photo and sugestions! In respect to resin and minute detail, I'd say you are right and wrong! As I understand it, this is a resin kit to first give you a Saeta in 48th at all and second to save on tooling costs... I assume simply some short run injection molding tools are way out of budget here... !! the exterior of the kit IS highly detailed, with engraved panel lines, etc the interior is not or only basicly detailed as you can see.... but not behind at all to many mainstream plastic kits.. think ESCI, Italeri etc.! .. of corse many modern kits are above that standard! a good resin cockpit with 2 seats, PE etc rapidly costs close to 20$€£ that is half the kit! I am glad it is available as is, and will try to improve on the interior a bit! by the way, the IP is quite nice and sharp actually :) Edited March 30, 2019 by exdraken 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted March 30, 2019 Author Share Posted March 30, 2019 52 minutes ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said: Did any other types use the same seats ? Maybe you can get some etter obes that way ? I have no Idea, but they kook like basic WW2 seats..... hope somebody enlightens me on that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 I did some comparing ? The cockpit seems similar to the Fouga Magister ? Hispano Aviacion did work on the magister and i think built licence copies. Wonder if they just modified the seats to fit into the Saeta ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted April 2, 2019 Author Share Posted April 2, 2019 (edited) ha! found this reply in an older thread here on BM obviously forgot about it .... so in the worst case I just thin the edges and add some seatbelts after some searching, what do you think of these?: https://sbsmodel.com/model/SBS-48007/bf-109-seat-with-harness--x2- cheers, Werner Edited April 2, 2019 by exdraken 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Hmm. The resin seats look nice but will need some modification to accurately represent those in the Ha-200. Might be just as much work as the kit parts need but always an option if that doesn't work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted April 3, 2019 Author Share Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) thanks a lot for your valuable opinion regarding the seats.. still looking for a photo.... can't be impossible, no?.... will think about maybe using the kit seat and some harness? more here: https://www.foro3d.com/f37/haciendo-el-avion-saeta-ha-200-para-todo-el-que-quiera-apuntarse-52235-25.html by the way, I found some more images: http://www.jaon.es/hispanoaviacion/EGIPTO/saetaegipto.htm http://www.jaon.es/hispanoaviacion/EGIPTO/IMAGENES/saetajaldoegipto_127.JPG Edited April 3, 2019 by exdraken 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 An excellent if little known choice of subject. I love this sort of build. I have tackled a couple of resin kits now, and although they are challenging, they can be worth it, as often they are subjects that mainstream manufacturers avoid. Watching with much interest! Terry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted May 16, 2019 Author Share Posted May 16, 2019 I really should hurry up with this one here..... at least I managed to close the fuselage joints! some work needed especially on the middle one: to be continued! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenoz Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 looking good, with regards to the IP, you could scratch in the dials with a needle, and then apply some clear... No decals here... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Glad to see you're making progress with this one Werner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted May 18, 2019 Author Share Posted May 18, 2019 On 5/16/2019 at 2:24 PM, Silenoz said: looking good, with regards to the IP, you could scratch in the dials with a needle, and then apply some clear... thanks! will try to improve the look of the cockpit later! I like your technique! tonight I mounted the wings and cleaned the fuselage seams .... some filler/ cleanup still needed, but not too bad looking I think! resin dust is king for the time being 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted May 24, 2019 Author Share Posted May 24, 2019 working to make the canopy fit 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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