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  1. For the windscreen, do have a look at the documentary, from 3:27.
  2. Rétromobile 2017 Last week I was in Paris to see, study and photograph the six Delage 15-S-8 race cars, to find out (through talking with Delage-connaisseur Mr Daniel Cabart) if any blueprints of this type have survived, as well as to purchase the new book of Mr Cabart. First I will write a review of Rétromobile, next a review of the book that I read with great interest and pleasure. Upon entering the venue it became very clear to me that this was a very large exposition. How titanic it was I found only later. Here is a panoramic picture of the largest hall having, on the visible red carpet (1/3 of the surface of that hall) sellers of miniature models, original and aftermarket parts of antique cars, accessories, restorators, et cetera. Beyond, until the far end, an exhibition of thousands of vintage / classic cars. For example, in this hall alone I counted ten Mercedes-Benz 300 SL Gullwings. Then there were two more halls, totally amounting to approximately half the size of the hall I just described. One of both smaller (but still large) spaces was my primary target, that's where the Delages were. I spent an hour and a half there at first (later that day another half hour) and took hundreds of photos and videos. Unfortunately chassis #4 wasn't present, as it had been shipped to New Zealand for maintenance, but that wouldn't affect my excitement. For me the major tourist attractions were chassis #1 and #3. Number 1 because it's the most original survivor, with almost no amendments made during the 90 years of its existence, and number 3 because it does not (yet) have its bodywork in place. Starting with Chassis #1. The gorgeous front wheel suspension: The rivets were flattened, for reasons of aerodynamics and saving weight: If at any point in the future a 'Musée des Louvres' is to be erected, this bonnet could be included in its collection right away: The car's interior has been compared to that of a submarine... To make it easy for future scale modelers, the designers at Delage applied a series of tapered louvres. They will have to be pressed out piece by piece with an overload of care. In the morning the bonnets were in situ (I was kindly requested to not lift them myself )... In the afternoon I saw the car like this: The engine is exactly 10 centimeters off-center: Then the state of chassis #3 (during the build more pictures will be shown) : In my view the most beautiful car of the exhibition was this one-off Delahaye with bodywork made by Figoni: Although this is the only one ever made, dreaming is still allowed right? Rétromobile was an overwhelming experience. Much recommended to experience for anyone who is even mildly into vintage and classic cars! Delage Champion du Monde Those looking for an elaborate-as-possible book on the Delage 15-S-8 were, until last week, to be referred to the 12 page booklet "The 1926-27 1 1/2-Litre Delage" written by Cyril Posthumus, issued in 1966. It's an interesting text with several photos, but obviously does not contain as much information as one would desire. Ultimate connaisseur on Delage cars and history in general, and the 15-S-8 in particular, is Daniel Cabart. Together with Christophe Pund he wrote an impressive book titled "Delage Champion du Monde", referring to the Grand Prix World Championship title Delage won in 1927. The book has 239 pages, is full of photographs and contains, beside the French text, a translation into English - a pleasant surprise. The book starts off by giving an illustrated description of the racing history of Delage. In the second chapter a description is given on the 1926- and 1927 models, in passing comparing the most important competitors to Delage, being Bugatti and Talbot. In Chapters 3 and 4 the Grand Prix seasons 1926 and 1927 are elaborated and detailed descriptions are given of the fate of each of the six chassis, who raced them and when, as well as what the racing results were. Mr Cabart has managed to find photographs of most every race, every situation and every pilot, making this book a treasure chest for those searching for visual evidence of a certain situation or for those who intend to find out where and when what chassis drove with what racing number. By the way, for our convenience all of this was also put in a clear schedule, containing all races in which any of the six cars has participated between the years 1926 and 1952. The book ends by giving an elaborate description of the people (drivers, designers) who played an important role in the cars' history as well as a number of extras. A very pleasant surprise to me was that the book contains a tracking of the four individual team car chassis from their last Grand Prix (1927 Brooklands) and that research has proven that chassis #3 is the car that Robert Benoist (the team's most succesful driver) always drove. Until reading this book I did not know this, even after reading several articles about the subject. I had actually read somewhere that the referred tracking was impossible. This new book proves otherwise. Also other things are clarified in the book, for example what the letter 'S' in the type name stands for and what the firing order of the engine was. For modeling, the latter is a nice little detail. Many photos were new to me, among which very valuable specimens such as those taken of the engine as it was in 1927 (left and right side). Also a great picture of the gearbox as it was in 1926 (with turned metal swirls... the designers must have really loved that feature!) is relevant, because those gearboxes were moved unchanged into the 1927-cars. This book is a pageturner, an encyclopedia and a magnum opus on the Delage 15-S-8. Are there also critical observations? Of course, as no book is perfect. I missed a bit of personal history of Louis Delâge (it probably wasn't included because Mr Delâge wasn't as involved in the development of this racer as other people were) and in my view the description of the remarkable life story of Robert Benoist could have detailed upon a bit more (although I understand that more pages means extra costs). Also the book barely provides bite-sized information on the dimensions of the cars (although in the appended notes of the car's designer, Mr Albert Lory, there are measurements to be found here and there). This too can be explained, because no blueprints have survived and the precise measurements of the cars are not clear. The book was written in a very accessible way, is a joy to read and should be very interesting also for people who want to deepen their knowledge of this relatively unknown period in Grand Prix history. The appendices, among which several pages from Albert Lory's notebook containing lots of information on tests with the car and suggested improvements, provide a fascinating image of Grand Prix racing near the end of the 20s. The book succeeds in clarifying incisively how special the performances of these pilots really were, pilots who were gassed during races, sent to hospital with burns, saw their cars catch fire and had to steer their difficult to handle cars across hundreds of kilometers of dusty roads. In all, the book is an inspiration. Delage Champion du Monde, Daniel Cabart & Christophe Pund, 239p, €90,-, ISBN 978-2-8151-0362-6 This topic Approaching the end of my research I am almost ready to start working on the model. I therefore asked this topic to be moved to the 'Work in Progress' section, which will be way easier for me than and for the interested readers than to switch between a topic with knowhow and a build topic.
  3. Olivier it looks really nice. Is there any chance you can get the area where the louvres were inserted a bit smoother / blending in with the rest of the body? I'm worried these areas may otherwise be weak links visually.
  4. In Paris
  5. You work extremely diligently, it's inspiring stuff and a reminder to try doing so myself.
  6. Rétromobile was... ridiculously large. Think twice the size of Telford IPMS. I will write a brief impression in the Delage topic. Took several trillions of photos and videos of chassis #1 and #3 and still I realize that I'll need more along the way. Met Daniel Cabart, bought his book on the 15-S-8, had it autographed and learned from him that no blueprints of the cars have survived. After that I made another couple of million photos just to be sure. Then I met Mr Scott George of Revs Institute, which was an honour and a pleasure. All the time I was looking for Fiat 806 and/or 1927 Grands Prix related stuff in vintage 1927 magazines and such, but to no avail. I would recommend anyone who has the chance to visit Rétromobile, you still have Saturday and Sunday. Or maybe next year. It's an overwhelming experience...
  7. There's (or: there was) actually quite a lot of that. Moderately vintage Click here for Entex Click here for Bandai Click here for Minicraft Very vintage Click here for Fador Click here for Hudson Miniatures
  8. If scale 1/25 will do: (Click here) (click here) (click here) (click here) No recent kits unfortunately, or I didn't find them. There are quite a few pre-1919 cars in 1/16th scale, mainly by Bandai / Entex / Minicraft (1970s / 1980s) and Fador and Hudson Miniatures (early 1950s) but I doubt the latter two will fulfill your accuracy demands.
  9. Hannes do you mean this: If so I never realized that was the 'master model'. Please confirm and I'll add it to the opening post. Re. Photo 8B: yes you can see the stains, plus the louvres are of more realistic proportions. But I still think it's not the original Photo (circular exhaust tips..).
  10. Ok I found the other version of Photo 8 and added it to the opening post, renaming the first to '8A': Photo 8A Photo 8B And, reluctantly ( ) I added the photo of the large scale model at Centro Storico. Model 1:
  11. The values are based on wheelbase of 2.400mm. and, given lens distortion, approximate. From left to right: -22,5mm.: on the model, the crossbeam section (a bit to the right of its center) would be 22,5mm. too far to the front. In 1/12th scale that is 1,9mm. -22,5mm.: on the model, the beginning of the cowl would be 22,5mm. too far to the front. In 1/12th scale that is 1,9mm. 0,0mm.: the top of the fairing matches exactly. +33,7mm.: on the model, the end of the cockpit (begin of 'rear fairing') would be 33,7mm. too far to the rear. In 1/12th scale that is 2,8mm. 0,0mm.: the position of the louvres matches exactly (note: this doesn't mean the position is de facto correct, especially taken into account the +33,7mm. mentioned above) +7,5mm.: on the model, the end of the car would be 7,5mm. too far to the rear. In 1/12th scale that is 0,6mm. Another comparison is more visual and provides more information: not only length but also height. Markings 1-6 make clear where the differences are. The 'video' first slowly slides from your photo into Photo 4. After that it switches between them six times, for easy comparison between the six markings. For example section 6 would be 94 millimeters lower on the model (true scale).That's 8 millimeters in scale 1/12. If the car was 96 centimeters tall (which according to amended Drawing 2 it approximately was, so give&take...), this difference would be 9,8%! But, again, on a more positive note: don't worry too much about these differences because what you see is not reliable.
  12. Hmm it seems that I forgot to list Photo 8B in the opening thread, from which it becomes all the more clear that Photo 8 is indeed edited. Does anyone remember where that other version of Photo 8 was put? It's somewhere in the thread... with exhaust stains covering the rear '15' and taller louvres. If found I'll add it to the opening post.
  13. Coincidentally, as Thierry, I did some checking by software. Not using Photoshop but Gimp. Ironically two lines that I thought did not match, eventually matched perfectly because Oliviers vertical lines were not perfectly vertical. If made vertical, they match! (The second '0%' marker takes the position of the louvres as a basis of measurement) The conclusion based on the above Gimp research is that the front side of the car is a bit too much too the front, the end of the cockpit is too much too the back and the tail of the car is a bit too much to the back too. But as said before (I refer to the picture with the face comparisons) if I were you I would take those 'conclusions' lightly because different lenses and lens distortions makes the comparison impossible. That would only be different if we know exactly what lens Photo 4 was taken with, if we were to correct that through software, and if we were also to correct the lens distortion in your own photo. Further correcting scale and distance, we would be able to make an accurate comparison. But unfortunately that's impossible. On a more positive note I think you totally nailed it! The shape of the car looks spot-on to me and I am sure (almost) everyone agrees. At one point that is arguably the most important factor: does it look like the real car? The answer is, yes it absolutely does. Try to get back a few steps, to Protar's kit. To use a famous millionaire and philosopher of human rights... Protar kit is a total disaster. Total disaster. Your amendments made the kit great again. True.
  14. Let's also agree to disagree that all lines except one match. I see three matching and three non-matching lines. I don't want to discourage you, hopefully you'll trust me on that. My warning is not meant to annoy you or set you back.
  15. Olivier please be very careful when comparing photos like that. Lens distortion in the 1927 photo will for 99,9% sure be very different from the lens distortion in your own photo. The photo was taken at the same angle (=same point of view), which makes for a good principal comparison, but the distance between camera and car wasn't the same, the scale isn't the same, the lens wasn't the same. That means the results are unreliable. You say an error margin of 1% would be acceptable, but in my estimate the error margin you're looking at is 5% or more.