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Roy vd M.

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  1. Fiat 806: research and scratchbuilds

    They were mechanically connected to the engine (source: engine drawings, see first post) just like an old-fashioned ignition distributor. That way, firing would always go exactly on time. The best reason I can think of to have those magnetos be positioned as extensions of the internal engine shafts is, the double-6-cylinder design of the engine. With a single block (such as the 1927 Delage) asymmetry could have been used, especially given the available empty space on the right hand side of the engine. But with this Fiat there would be no such space on the left hand side, the left bonnet already practically touching the engine block. In my view, therefore, the Fiat 806 designers were left with no other choice but to put the magnetos behind the engine (to put them between block and radiator would not have been opportune cooling-wise).
  2. Fiat 806: research and scratchbuilds

    Yes I'm pretty sure the original 806 had plastic mould swirl traces all over its magnetos
  3. Fiat 806: research and scratchbuilds

    If I remember correctly, it's a kind of rubber. Still, using a knife may be the only way to get the hexapus in as realistic a state as reasonably possible.
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    I don't know if Archivio Luce would mind.. the only way to find out is to ask them... but I think they won't be too enthusiastic. If you wanted to use the HR video, you'd definitely have to pay for that; amounts are on their website...
  5. Fiat 806: research and scratchbuilds

    First, upload your video to Youtube. Then, simply copy the Youtube link* and paste it into the reply box. The forum will automatically embed a video player in your reply. *To copy a Youtube link, or any other link, select the text of the link as it appears in your browser bar. Then, use CTRL-C to copy the link text (on a Mac, use CMD-C). To paste it into the reply box, first click on the box and then use CTRL-V (on a Mac, use CMD-V).
  6. Fiat 806: research and scratchbuilds

    That was too easy
  7. Fiat 806: research and scratchbuilds

    Olivier you have proven more than once that you're willing to amend things that were (thought to be) incorrect, even if you worked very hard to accomplish the original results. So I'm sure that if for any reason you thought the figure was wrong overall, you'd remove it despite all the trouble incurred to create it. In my opinion the figure is not at all 'wrong' and it is more a matter of taste whether to prefer it installed or not. I understand very well why you'll leave Bordino in situ and as said it doesn't lead me to value your (combined) model as less than excellent.
  8. The last build updates in this thread are just crazy... what an amazingly great job!
  9. Fiat 806: research and scratchbuilds

    Regarding Bordino I believe you did a very good job. It doesn't disturb me that the figure is in there and I'm with Fred where he says the figure gives the car scale. The quality level of the figure is good. However I tend towards Sam's opinion that the technical marvel that is this car would be even more emphasised if its driver was left out. In my opinion, if Bordino were removed from the model that would give an end result of a 9,5 out of 10. Now, to me, it is a 9,2 out of 10. But this is just an opinion of course. I also agree with Sam and Fred that a technician figure isn't needed. The only added value such a figure would give, as far as I can see now, is to make clear how very low the car was. But in those days Italian technicians averagely wouldn't have been the tallest of people to ever have walked the earth, so the lowness wouldn't really become obvious. I don't think it would be worth the trouble of making the technician.
  10. Fiat 806: research and scratchbuilds

    Not at all bad, I didn't have much faith in that piece of photo etch but you seem to have gotten the best out of it. It does seem like heavy robust oak wood though...
  11. Fiat 806: research and scratchbuilds

    Feel free to share pictures in this thread Olivier, I'm sure all would love to see your OOB progress (I know I do). Technically it's still a scratchbuild-related thing you're doing (creating a visual comparison). Perhaps if you have time you could put the newly finished pieces next to the finished model.
  12. I've been silently but surely following this progress and must say I am impressed by your craftsmanship. Besides that this is a subject that stirs nostalgia in my young mind. It wasn't a pretty bus but it looked great nonetheless. Keep up the good work!
  13. Fiat 806: research and scratchbuilds

    I never felt this to be 'my' thread but, from the beginning, hoped that here we could find a gathering space for all knowhow, to have that knowhow organised (mainly photos and drawings) and, also to discuss the (semi-)scratchbuilds deriving from all research. Everyone who contributed has a part in the success of this thread. Unfortunately we were not able to organise all the knowhow, simply because it's too much and this isn't a book that is easily edited before print... as well as there are many uncertainties, theories and assumptions (made by everyone, myself included) that are difficult to assess, often impossible to verify and always difficult to characterise in a topic such as this. We did however successfully collect all photographic (and drawing-related) evidence we found of this car, with the exception of some HR versions that cannot be posted in this thread due to copyright reasons. The scratchbuilds we have seen have been beautiful. I love Oliviers model and it still makes my eyebrows be raised each time I look at the pictures. This is almost certainly 95% or better true to what the car would have looked like, versus 65% or less if looking at the Italeri kit. Hannes' model seems to have more voluptuous lines and manages to enter the photo lens more gracefully. But that has always been Hannes' intention, as an artist. As said before, I hope to see more progress on Hannes' car. So yes, the atmosphere in this topic may have been grim from time to time; and that's probably typical of a subject the participants are as passionate about as... model builders who have found each other in pursuit of a truer representation of a car (!) than any modelling company could offer... such car being the subject of mystery and facts long forgotten. But in the end at least one great model has been the fruit of all those deliberations. Olivier has been strongly influenced by several opinions posted by several contributors on this thread and even if not every single piece of input was necessarily correct, it's fair to say that his model could never have looked as good without the participation of all in this thread. I am sure the same will eventually be true for Hannes' version of this racer, as well as Harvey's creation. Even if his build is treated in a separate thread, Harvey is never far away and the influence of this tread has been gracefully acknowledged. It is therefore not hard to guess that in my view this thread has become a success. Even the only 'fail' (=no database-overview of knowledge) could be overcome by anyone who has a strong will to build the car as realistically as possible, through reading this thread, page after page, and making personal notes. Perhaps this will someday be done and perhaps that person will kindly surprise us by sharing his summaries, to thank the original contributors of this thread for all their work. Or just due to a willingness to share information, as did all who have written anything in the thread. Anyway I do hope this thread will remain alive as long as anyone is busy working on a better representation of the Fiat 806, and that it will be reopened if interest in this legendary car is renewed... such having happened before in the '70s, the '90s and the 2010s. After all this, don't you think 1 month should suffice to tackle this 'easy-peasy' kitty?
  14. Fiat 806: research and scratchbuilds

    Hannes.. if you have a problem with me, I welcome you to send me a PM. If not, please don't use this topic to slander. I choose not to reply in personal accusations. Those who read this will make up their own minds based on past discussions.
  15. Fiat 806: research and scratchbuilds

    Hannes, you did not refer to any specific rules. You bluntly stated just as I quote you above. Someone apparently very knowledgable rightfully corrects you and you immediately feel the need to compare him with the methods of the mass media. Not very nice. Perhaps this answers, in part, why there are few discussions going on in this thread besides your own. Speaking for myself, I refuse to participate in a discussion based on ongoing assumptions presented as if they were facts (and a strong hesitance to change opinion). This thread has become filled with that. Rather than that, I would really appreciate to see you continue working on the model because it started to look very nice last time I saw pictures of it.