F4u Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 I think cost will effect organisers but overflying roads, built up areas etc that is the problem are organisers going to be able to close roads while a display is happening or keep a secondary crowd from forming which no doubt that has to be paid for. If an aircraft has to fly over public areas then the show will not happen so to me that is most airfields they need roads for access surely ? Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4u Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 BBC South has reported that the Hunter's insurance company has admitted liability so you can make up your own mind. Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzn20 Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 They had no choice..Their insured landed on the road. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 They had no choice..Their insured landed on the road. Res ipsa loquitur 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Hmm. Surely there must be the same risk of airliners overflying built areas on approach to their airports Heathrow, Gatwick etc. There many roads and populated areas around them where an aeroplane could land on them despite they are not displaying the same way. All very much knee jerk stuff by the powers that be. Maybe aviation will all come to an end. Where does one draw a line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard4 Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 I have to agree with the previous comments, this could potentially affect airshows like RIAT, which is extremely well organised, so what about the Red Arrows displays? and talking about insurance I belong to a small model boat club we only sail either yachts or electric powered models no fast boats at all, but the local council insisted we had to have public liability insurance in case one of the yachts, or one of our electric powered boats jumped out of the pond and hit someone, which is a big ZERO, but we have to comply. Cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzn20 Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Hmm. Surely there must be the same risk of airliners overflying built areas on approach to their airports Heathrow, Gatwick etc. There many roads and populated areas around them where an aeroplane could land on them despite they are not displaying the same way. All very much knee jerk stuff by the powers that be. Maybe aviation will all come to an end. Where does one draw a line... Some of the airshows and/or flyers haven't been (100%) complying with regulations,either with flight plans,paperwork/job cards,recording,MOD states etc. This is the result. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard4 Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 I really find that disheartening considering what is involved, ie aircraft, at air shows it;s fast jets aerobatic displays, warbirds. When you consider it, at model aircraft shows they have incredibly strict rules, especially the larger model aircraft, owners have to be registered, and qualified to operate them, and restricted to a certain distance from the public during displays. We all acknowledge that accidents will happen, whether it's a full sized aircraft or a model, however the rules and regulations are written so that pilots and the public are kept safe. Cheers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted March 12, 2016 Author Share Posted March 12, 2016 The difference with airliners and airports is that it is a major economic activity. Airshows ain't. And now that the insurance company will be paying out big time, I would expect to see premiums rise correspondingly. Up to now the insurance companies have taken a level headed approach regarding the subject, but I suspect this will change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4u Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 They had no choice..Their insured landed on the road. Exactly! they would be liable what ever. Guy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4u Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Here is a link to what Biggin Hill are having to do, so gives you an idea but still does not mean it will be approved. http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=71747 Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted March 15, 2016 Author Share Posted March 15, 2016 It's very interesting reading around the aviation forums (fora?) regarding this subject, that suddenly there are so many experts around who knew with utter certainty that Shoreham was inevitable/a tragedy waiting to happen* (*insert cliche of your choice) and that standards and airshows regulations should have been looked at years ago etc. Of course, being so clever you think they would have stated this before 22 August last year, but most of them, it seems, were too busy enjoying themselves at airshows to raise the subject. Funny that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4u Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Agree with you T7 horses and gates come to mind. Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjames68 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 450 meters??? If i was stood on the crowdline at RIAT, 450 metres would put the aircraft displaying over the fields at the back!!! On the. Plus side, if i stay in blackpool i will probably get a better view of the RIAT display..... Methinks Totterdown and Rhymes days of moneymaking are over, POSSIBLY not this year but from next i bet...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4u Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 That's why I'm not getting any airshow tickets until I see the final CAA rules ! I wanted to do RIAT this year but will wait to see it's not just the distance but the overflying of secondary crowds, roads, buildings etc. Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinxman Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 450 meters??? If i was stood on the crowdline at RIAT, 450 metres would put the aircraft displaying over the fields at the back!!! On the. Plus side, if i stay in blackpool i will probably get a better view of the RIAT display..... Methinks Totterdown and Rhymes days of moneymaking are over, POSSIBLY not this year but from next i bet...... Rhymes Farm and Totterdown have had my money for more than twenty-odd years now, (money well spent!) - as have the organisers of the show, and the charities involved. It will be a shame if these areas are shut down, but I agree it is a distinct possibility given that the risk to those in these areas is higher than if you are in the main arena. I can't think of many shows where viewing from outside the 'arena' doesn't have some advantages, especially for the photographer, but maybe it's time, with hindsight, for these places to be off limits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 (edited) From BBC's Cornwall page: Cornwall Red Arrows show cancelled over safety fears An air show which has run for more than 30 years in Cornwall has been cancelled because of safety concerns. The annual Red Arrows show at Fowey Royal Regatta has been scrapped after an audit found there was not enough space to perform above the town's river. The Military Aviation Authority audit raised concerns over the width of the "safety corridor" below the display. Organisers have scrapped the show rather than move it further out to sea. "Our only means of achieving the safety standard is to move the display out over the sea which simply won't be the same," a statement said. "This has lead to a reluctant decision not to host the Red Arrows in 2016." Harbour master Paul Thomas said: "It is hugely important and is without question the busiest day of regatta week. There is a huge sense of disappointment." Malcolm Palin, chairman of Fowey Regatta Committee said moving the event out to sea would encounter problems. "To view it, spectators would need to go into fields which would mean a lack of vehicle access, narrow footpaths and uneven ground," he said. "Also we would need to raise enough money to pay for the display while expecting a significant drop in visitor numbers." The decision is not believed to be connected to the Shoreham air crash which killed 11 people last year. And if you believe that, you'll believe that the Reds are re-equipping with flying pigs. Edited March 16, 2016 by T7 Models 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4u Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I think its a shame after 30yrs but I'm afraid it might be the start of things to come I do hope I'm wrong. Guy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4u Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Seems the charges will be phased in over a three year period according to the latest from the CAA. Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 i wonder how IWM Duxford will cope? I can't see closing the M11 is feasible. Yere are road bridges across the M11 too, and they're usually packed with non fee-paying spectators so I suppose they'd have to be closed too. They could move the flight line to provide the 450 metres clearance but ... I can see problems IF CAA gets all its own way. Ive bought my ticket for Duxford AND RIAT already! Gggggrrrrr! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4u Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 The problem is that closing roads and that's if you get the permission to close the roads in the first place and putting temporary fencing in place has to be paid for and policed weather by private security or the police and then you have the private land owners ! Like Johnny says you can't close the M11 and I think the smaller aircraft will be lost in the distance with the 450mtr rule you only have to look at the Farnborough display and that is already quite distant and high so a lot of aircraft are lost. Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4u Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Farnborough have released a press statement on there extra safety measures. http://www.farnborough.com/public/Press/FIA-SAFETY-STATEMENT Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 Take your binoculars, as they'll all be displaying over Blackbushe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4u Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Ha Ha!! And if it was not distant enough ! I Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtecjack Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 At this rate I will have to take the Hubble telescope along to be able to see anything !! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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