Vallejo Model Air question

[B0BY_1234567]

Hello! 

 

I normally paint my models with Vallejo Model Air paints as I have really come to enjoy their "feel" when brush painting. Normally, I refer to Vallejo's box sets for picking up the right colours for my models (yes, I know there are some slight accuracy issues with their paints, but for the most part I'm not too bothered since they look pretty alright to my eye). However, I was doing some research on Vallejo's RAF Day Fighter set and saw this photo:

 

 

For Vallejo's Medium Sea Grey, it looks much darker than what I think it should look like! I haven't seen many complaints about the other paints in the set, however. 

 

My question is, for the Day Fighter Scheme, what VMA colours would you recommend? I don't want to really step outside of the paint line as I have really grown accustomed to VMA's properties. I'm personally happy with the shade of Vallejo's Dark Green, I'm just a little confused regarding the greys in the DFS. 

 

While I am here, are there any issues of similar gravity with Vallejo's Temperate Sea Scheme recommendations? 

 

Thank you for your help!

[Bozothenutter]

The whole picture looks dark. Pretty much useless to make a decision on. 

Take a look at a bottle, and decide. 

[alt-92]

It is a bit dark, but not like that pic shows.

 

I do note that they say they brushpainted it, which in my experience tends to work less well. 
Spraying leaves a thinner coat so less 'dense'.

[JackG]

@Casey posted measurements of various paints compared to the samples from the book British Aviation Colours of World War Two.   The results for Vallejo  71.307  BS Medium Sea Grey was a rating of 5.3, while a rating of 2.0 or less is considered a good match.   It was suggested a better paint match from Vallejo brand and rated at 1.59 is  Vallejo - 71.050

 

See pages from 2 and 3 from the link below

 

[Troy Smith]

 

9 hours ago, B0BY_1234567 said:

I'm just a little confused regarding the greys in the DFS. 

 

the post linked by @JackG  will give as good answer as you will get.

 

Acrylic model paint makers seem to have a great deal of difficulty matching the MAP paint standard.

 

Medium Sea Grey is one of a family of Sea Greys,  they have subtle purple-blue hue to them.   Various model paints tend to be an olive or brown hued grey. 

 

Ocean Grey has a slight green hue to it, it's not obvious as tends to appear 'blueish' when next to Dark Green.

 

Taken in direct sunlight, to my eye the Ocean Grey is dead on, the camera thinks otherwise.

 

I made up mixes with Tamiya to the MAP chart,  and others as well,  which made me appreciate how carefully these colours were chosen,  they change subtly in different light conditions. 

 

9 hours ago, B0BY_1234567 said:

 

I normally paint my models with Vallejo Model Air paints as I have really come to enjoy their "feel" when brush painting.

If you use Model Color you get more paint, as they need thinning.   Model Air are a bit watery for brush work I find.

 

HTH

[B0BY_1234567]

Thank you all for the info! 

[Casey]

If you have trouble finding the entry with measurements matches, try thus link instead:

 

 

Maybe I should extract it in a separate post one day since the original thread went into generic can of worms...

Edited March 10 by Casey

[B0BY_1234567]

27 minutes ago, Casey said:

If you have trouble finding the entry with measurements matches, try thus link instead:

 

 

Maybe I should extract it in a separate post one day since the original thread went into generic can of worms...

Thanks for doing the tedious work for all of us! I did some digging around and I found most of what I was looking for, but what VMA colour would you recommend for Ocean Grey, if any? 
 

 

[Casey]

51 minutes ago, B0BY_1234567 said:

Thanks for doing the tedious work for all of us! I did some digging around and I found most of what I was looking for, but what VMA colour would you recommend for Ocean Grey, if any? 
 

 

If I had no other choices than VMA, I'd use 71.273 | Ocean Gray | Gris Oceano | FS36176 | BS629.

 

  

 

It has a wrong tint and it is not that close (>3.0 DE)

 

 

 

[B0BY_1234567]

5 minutes ago, Casey said:

If I had no other choices than VMA, I'd use 71.273 | Ocean Gray | Gris Oceano | FS36176 | BS629.

 

  

 

It has a wrong tint and it is not that close (>3.0 DE)

 

 

 

Ok, thank you for the recommendation. I see that it is slightly off but it is still just about close enough for me. Thanks again! 

[flyboy2610]

7 hours ago, alt-92 said:

It is a bit dark, but not like that pic shows.

 

I do note that they say they brushpainted it, which in my experience tends to work less well. 
Spraying leaves a thinner coat so less 'dense'.

Precisely. Brush paint is always going to give a more dense coat than spraying, hence the color looks darker. It also makes a difference what color primer is used. Painting over a black primer will give a different shade than painting over a gray primer than painting over a white primer, etc.

[Matthew1974]

If you aren’t adverse to using Vallejo Model Color (I find they brush pretty well using a wet palette technique), I found this here: https://i.4pcdn.org/tg/1474297046471.pdf.  On page 11, it recommends mixing two parts 70.905 and one part 70.991 for Medium Sea Grey.  For Ocean Grey it recommends two parts 70.868, one part 70.900, & one part 70.904.  I haven’t tried it so I can’t comment one way or the other on accuracy but maybe it’s worth a shot.

To confuse the issue even more Vallejo Model Color does have a Medium Sea Grey (70.870) in its range.

 

[B0BY_1234567]

7 hours ago, Matthew1974 said:

If you aren’t adverse to using Vallejo Model Color (I find they brush pretty well using a wet palette technique), I found this here: https://i.4pcdn.org/tg/1474297046471.pdf.  On page 11, it recommends mixing two parts 70.905 and one part 70.991 for Medium Sea Grey.  For Ocean Grey it recommends two parts 70.868, one part 70.900, & one part 70.904.  I haven’t tried it so I can’t comment one way or the other on accuracy but maybe it’s worth a shot.

To confuse the issue even more Vallejo Model Color does have a Medium Sea Grey (70.870) in its range.

 

Thank you for the extra help!