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JackG started following Possible Romanian column in 44/45? , HMS Victory in 1/700 from Never Land Hobby , Hurricane I VY-C/G of 85 Sqn, Lille-Seclin, around Apr 1940 and 4 others
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Interesting find. If I have calculated correctly for 1/700 scale - that gives an overall length of just under 82mm?? That is a lot of detail crammed into a full interior.
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Hurricane I VY-C/G of 85 Sqn, Lille-Seclin, around Apr 1940
JackG replied to Jon Kunac-Tabinor's topic in Aircraft WWII
The individual code letter is cropped too much to say whether it is a B or E. An example of a B, but this Hurricane has a three blade prop. A comparison of photos seems to have a larger roundel and the middle arm of the letter B falls in line with the top edge of the roundel center . . . -
From Britmodellers own walkaround archive:
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Looks like Takom updated the colour profiles - at least the pdf version available at Scalemates does identify the Hummel unit: https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/6/6/9/1545669-53-instructions.pdf
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For the Ardennes there were two units that fielded the Tiger I: 𝐒𝐜𝐡𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐏𝐚𝐧𝐳𝐞𝐫 𝐊𝐨𝐦𝐩𝐚𝐧𝐢𝐞 '𝐇𝐮𝐦𝐦𝐞𝐥' was added to Pz.Abt 506 as its fourth company. It could be a good candidate as it too had its Tigers taken from a training school. Numbering system was unique as they were in the 400 range. Sourced from the following, but photo links are dead. https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/missinglynx/myst-kompanie-hummel-and-tiger-i-in-ardennes-t22272-s20.html FunkLenk Pz Abt 301 had 14 Tiger I, but were not able to join at the start of the offensive, and ended up most fighting defensively. https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/missinglynx/viewtopic.php?p=541934#p541934
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My bad then as I misread that paragraph. Either way the Armored Group of the 4th Army still does not fit the photo as not a single R-2 is credited to their inventory. There were 16 x TACAM R-2s but these were a different beast with a much larger turret and gun in place. TVD or HCC are unknown to me - being infantry they would not be in the armoured vehicle section of that Romanian OOB site. Not included in the Infantry section either which makes sense. Both of these were created on Soviet soil from POWs. So its not like they were an actual Romanian raised units. Going by wiki both units only became part of the Romanian army after the war in late 1945.
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Detailed review of the kit linked below. As you will see, Fehrmann Tigers were unique builds as they were early version type that had been used in training schools. Near war's end they were upgraded to be put in combat (plus whatever other worn parts were replaced during its service in schools). https://tiger1.info/models/products-page/TAK2202 Zimmerrit coating was applied in factories beginning April 1943 and ended September 1944. Steel road wheels were introduced February 1944. http://www.alanhamby.com/changes.shtml
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Going by the main photo being discusses, the trees are without leaves so that indicates late autumn or late winter/early spring after snow has thawed. If that setting is then inserted into the latter half of 1944 and following the Rumanian OOB link - there is only the last battle group existing at this time. It had combined elements to form the 4th Army's Armored Group which was still fighting with the axis, therefore they would not have soviet stars on their vehicles. On 1 October 1944, from the elements of the "Lt. Col. Matei" and "Gen. Niculescu" detachments was formed the 4th Army's Armored Group. It consisted of a recon company (5 AB armored cars, one SPW 250, a section of amphibious VW and Horch cars), one tank battalion (a company with 10 T-4s, a company with 8 TAs and a company with 16 TACAM R-2s), the 62nd TACAM T-60 Battery, a motorized vanatori battalion, an AT company (12 75 mm Resita model 1943 AT guns), a motorized heavy artillery battalion, a pioneer company, an AA company (25 mm Hotchkiss model 1939 AA guns), a communications platoon and a service company. It was used in the fights in northwestern Transylvania and in Hungary until the beginning of November 1944, when it was disbanded.
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No Jagdpanzers listed here for Romania https://www.worldwar2.ro/organizare/?article=24 So back to tanks-encyclopedia and the VERY same image being discussed is found in the Bulgarian section. When they left the Axis they did use some star markings to avoid confusion as to which side they supported. In their inventory there is listed one Turan and a Jagdpanzer IV. https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/bulgaria
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Again from the tanks-encyclopedia site and likely a front view of the same Jagdpanzer. Much easier to see the star centers are a different tone to the vehicle background so may conclude they are red. https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/nazi_germany/jagdpanzer-iv.php
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Referencing some books in my library, this particular Jagdpanzer is captioned to be in Hungary during either March or April 1945. According to the Zaloga publication on armor of the Eastern Front, Romania had no divisional markings for their armour. There was of course the National marking - up to 1940 it was the Crest of King Carol II but during the war years it was a stylized cross of King Michael I. The 2nd Regiment did adopt a red star over a white disc when fighting alongside the Soviets in 1944-45. If the Germans handed them Jagdpanzers it is not mentioned in this otherwise pretty detailed write up: https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/romanian-tanks-ww2.php
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Going back to the official size stipulated that is 102 inches overall and trying to place the marking over the ammunition panels as in the photo of 147/P. The left part of the marking extends past the wingtip. For the photo of 135/X it seems to work out but falls short of replicating the amount of space between the roundel top and the leading wing edge.. Placement is bit past the midpoint of those ammo panels and also lower and closer to the aileron.
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Width wise you might find a bit more room to work the marking in position by about a scale inch. This is due to the 8.5 degree dihedral of the wing which may or may not have been taken into account in the Jumpei Temma drawing used above.
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There is definitely something to those photos of the markings on the upper port wing. Without seeing the actual orders/diagrams that instructed the addition of the bars to the roundels, I can only guess as to what was actually done. For instance, recall the American diagram on how to create their marking on the wing. It stipulates the diameter can be between 80 to 90% of the wing area up to the edge of the aileron. Did the FAA receive the same document or option of size - who knows. So maybe there could be a 10% variation on the diameter, and even further variation depending where one determines the working tangent height is located. So arbitrarily I took a 44 inch roundel and applied the specified calculations based on the radius. Inner disc remains at 18 inches. The only detail not adhered to was maintaining the 3 inch thickness for the white outline, giving a net diameter of 50 inches. Outlines for the bar were rounded down from 2.75 to 2.5 inches just to makes things a bit simpler. Overall dimensions becomes 93 x 50 inches. Final location on the wing surface was based to match the photo of 147/P.