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1/72 - MiG-21 Fishbed by Eduard

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I've said it before and I'll say it again ...... We have Bis and MFs but no PFs or UMs of Ny quality. When will will see either or both these from Eduard? Clearly through its whole life the U/US/UM has been there in service and the PF was the first step up from the limited capability F-model. Both are the best reasons for getting to work on these :).

 

Martin

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9 hours ago, RidgeRunner said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again ...... We have Bis and MFs but no PFs or UMs of Ny quality. When will will see either or both these from Eduard? Clearly through its whole life the U/US/UM has been there in service and the PF was the first step up from the limited capability F-model. Both are the best reasons for getting to work on these :).

 

Martin


I know the PF/PFM is to be released by eduard but considering their first MF boxing is due in May and the next in september , I suspect we won't get the PF before late 2018 / 2019 . 

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Yes Basu, I agree, but I still feel I need to fly that flag for them. It seemed to work for the FJ-3! ;)

 

Martin

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3 hours ago, RidgeRunner said:

Yes Basu, I agree, but I still feel I need to fly that flag for them. It seemed to work for the FJ-3! ;)

 

Martin

With you on that one ; also we never know about the 2 seater UM version . They did release one for the mig-15 and might just surprise us with one here.  I am afraid eduard might try to pull the same trick here as they did with their spitfire - first release the costly quatro /special edition boxing , then the profipack and only after that the weekend ( we are yet to see the bubbletop weekend for example and it has been over an year since it first hit the market ). 

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I find it strange that the only constant in the MIG-21 story is the U-series and yet no manufacturer has ever taken it seriously...  i am currently working on a mod of a Bilek kit which will get me as close as possible.... i know that once I finish it they will announce a new mould! ;)

 

Martin

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3 hours ago, Basuroy said:

I am afraid eduard might try to pull the same trick here as they did with their spitfire - first release the costly quatro /special edition boxing , then the profipack and only after that the weekend 

I mean, that's been their standard practice for at least 15 years, so...

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5 hours ago, ICMF said:

I mean, that's been their standard practice for at least 15 years, so...

 I suspected it might have been ; I am quite new to the modelling scene so not familiar with their past practice  , started in 2015 and closely paying attention to new releases only since the past year or so . 

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Source: https://www.facebook.com/EduardCompany/photos/a.122154977799458.21995.116570475024575/1986522701362667/?type=3&theater

 

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Pre-release Library Edition of MiG-21MF in 1/72 scale. 
Kit covers marking of No. 4127 of the Czech Air Force, wearing the Knight emblem of the Eduard company. 
Preorders:
- 1st RUN - 6 – 15 March 2018 (discounted price)
- 2nd RUN - 21 – 31 March 2018 (standard price)
Kits will dispatch after 2nd of April 2018.
Content:
- plastic parts: Eduard
- No. of decal options: 1
- decals: Eduard
- PE parts: yes
- painting mask: yes
- resin parts: yes, wing & fuselage pylons, R-3S missiles with adapters
www.eduard.com/store/eduard/mig-21mf-library-limited-edition-1-72.html

 

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V.P.

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33$ for a 72nd scale mig-21 with a bland decal option ? Eduard certainly seems to hold their jet in very high opinion. Also based on the sprue pictures on the website , it appears there are no weapons included except for that resin missile .  This is surprising because eduard have previously advertised a very wide selection of armaments .  One can only wonder how much the set with the armament sprue and more than 1 decal option will cost .... 

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21 minutes ago, Basuroy said:

33$ for a 72nd scale mig-21 with a bland decal option ? Eduard certainly seems to hold their jet in very high opinion. Also based on the sprue pictures on the website , it appears there are no weapons included except for that resin missile .  This is surprising because eduard have previously advertised a very wide selection of armaments .  One can only wonder how much the set with the armament sprue and more than 1 decal option will cost .... 

it's a special edition (with brassin part but without plastic weapon)  before the first release (profipack :D) with all we need...!

Edited by Fulcrum@

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The answer is simple, the kit is not finished. Long time ago pán Šulc has promised that the kit will be available at a local kit show in few weeks time. A promise is a promise so they decided to have what they have at the show. The only way they could do was to look around what is available to make the kit as complete as possible. So brassin parts were added. 

What the end result is . . .

 

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Gabor

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MiG-21 is "heart" type for many Czech (and Czechoslovak) modelers. And many people call for option early buying. And this is a result. You can´t wait to may, you can have "Fishbed" soon.

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15 hours ago, Basuroy said:

33$ for a 72nd scale mig-21 with a bland decal option ? Eduard certainly seems to hold their jet in very high opinion. 

 

Well to be fair to Eduard, you only have to pay $33 if you're a foreigner.  If you're Czech, they'll only charge you $20 for the kit.

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If you wait one more month, you will get a profipack with 6 or so decal options, proper PE and all the sprues for about the same price as the "discounted" current limited edition. Not to mention much cheaper overtrees.

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This evening Eduard has shown on Facebook photos and details of the upcoming Library edition MiG-21MF. The markings are for “Russian Air Superiority Grey” painted a/c 4127 with Eduard stickers from 1991. They posted several photos of details but they included one which has nothing to do with the MF. Or does it???  Is it a hint of a future kit???

 

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The photo is of a MiG-21UM with special badge on the nose. It is clear from the intake ring, the different DUA housing (angle of attack vane) and the curved front “Pompazh” door (surge release door) which is typical for the MiG-21U, US and UM aircraft and was never on the single seaters! (the single seaters also have the release door but it has a different outline).

 

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The photo has nothing to do with MiG-21MF 4127. Is it a hint (of a possible UM two seater version in 72nd) or they simply don’t know what they are doing and shove in any photo they have for illustration???

 

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Best regards

Gabor  

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Maybe they just couldn't see any difference between the UM and MF noses?

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Mr Sulc  at  Novemberfest-2107 sayd that thay hav'nt big enthuziasm about MiG-21F13 and MiG-21U and UM - big differences and  to much new moulds.

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4 hours ago, ICMF said:

Maybe they just couldn't see any difference between the UM and MF noses?

If this is the case, then we have seriuos problems!!!!!

 

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Gabor

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They most likely used the photo just to illustrate the squadron badge because the close up of the sticker on 4127 doesn't exist. It's a detail of the badge on the nose of UM 3166.

 

Sigh... some people really don't waste any opportunity to bash Eduard.

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It says on the original Eduard photo that it is the actual: MiG-21MF 4127. 82 sslt, Czechoslovak AF . . .

So referring to the illustration as showing the actual MiG-21MF 4127. and not just the badge.

 

I know perfectly well (unfortunately) that Eduard will never do the two seater trainers nor the MiG-21F-13 series of aircraft due to the overall high investment in tooling up for all the sprues in comparison to the MF through PF version which have a substantial commonality in sprues. Sulc has expressed this to me several times. He simply does not believe in the viability of them! :( If it was up to him, he would stop at MF, PF and PFM, the types used by the Czechoslovak AF. 

 

 

Bashing Eduard? Yes, when they deserve it, make stupid mistake . . .  In this case it is just a joke and a good opportunity to have a guerrilla marketing for the new MiG-21MF kit. Of course it is just an illustration of the badge. Just as the other photos in the facebook post. But it was a perfect opportunity to bring the image of the kit and have a little fun! :D

 

Dear JBr, I don’t think you know that I have a perfect and very good relation both with pan Sulc and several other Eduard employees. Just as having had a substantial input at the start of the MiG-21MF kit too. This does not mean that I don’t bring to attention when mistakes are made. One has to learn from mistakes and try to avoid them next time. If the mistakes are not shown then the maker will possibly not know about it. And in most cases they dont know about the mistakes!

 

What you see on forums is just the very tip of the iceberg, most of the errata (99%) is sent directly to Edu and is not shared on forums. If I show all of that, now that would be bashing, real hard!

 

 

Best regards

Gabor

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48 minutes ago, Silverkite said:

Isn't Modelsvit Mig-21F good enough to be converted into a F-13 or I'm missing something big?

 

Luigi

Yes, it is possible to do it. (well you can do it from a Spitfire with a generous amount of work :D:winkgrin::D) Seriously, yes one can do it (new fin, new canopy, missile rails, missiles, new cockpit, new ejection seat . . .). In theory Modelsvit had a promise for an F-13 (Type 74) version, but when?

The bigger question is about the two seater versions: MiG-21U (Type 66), MiG-21 US (Type68) and MiG-21UM (Type 69). Well I would be happy with just the two most numerous U and UM. They both need brand new fuselage parts!:(

OK this is it for 72nd. But what about the 48th scale? The trump kit is a complete waste of money. I have seen some people working from the Edu kit and converting it into two seater. As I said before everything is possible, it is only a question of how many life times you have.

 

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Gabor

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Thanks Gabor,I did notice the differences after posting my question in this thread.

 

I was sure that Mikoyan didn't create a small hell for the F version since most sources reported only the changes regarding K13 missile compatibility,some fin mods but not so deep and the remove of one of the two cannons,at this point is more easy to differentiate BF-109 and FW-190 variants than the scorching hell of Mig-21 and Su-17 ones

 

Luigi

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16 hours ago, Silverkite said:

Isn't Modelsvit Mig-21F good enough to be converted into a F-13 or I'm missing something big?

 

Luigi


While I cannot speak about Modelsvit conversion , there is a very good kit of the f-13 from revell ( original tool belonging to the period when they churned out masterpieces like the tornado ) that goes together very well - its only down point is the nose ring fit which requires some cleaning up . It is worth buying in my opinion if you don't already have it .

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