Op Herrick Harrier, what's available?

[Phil]

I've just got the Hasegawa Op Telic GR7, and was thinking of making a Op Herrick aircraft and was wondering what AM stuff is available.

Specifically weapons - Anyone make the correct LGBs? (what type are the correct ones???).

Sniper pod - anything available? Anyone have a rough date they changed from TIALD to sniper? Are there any pics of either Sniper or TIALD mounted on the aircraft?

Decals - Any Op Herrick decals available? (ie any Lucy and Michelle nose art?), does anyone know if the decals in the kit are appropriate for Herrick as well? (minus the shark mouths presumably)

Is the LERX in the Hasegawa kit the correct size?

My second option is to stick to Op TELIC, some of the same questions apply regarding the LGBs and TIALD, are there any appropriate AM products available with the correct weapon types? I have some Telic pics that show CBUs under the outboard stations, does anyone make the correct type of CBU?

My intended weapon load is Mavericks, LGBs, AIM9 and TIALD/SNIPER. and tanks. However I'm wondering if they carry AGM56s at the same time as LGBs and Tanks, is this a plausible load? Any help on getting the load correct would be appreciated too.

Thanks

Phil

[entlim]

If its in 1/48 ,then

http://amraamline.50megs.com/line.htm

might help

Ed

[Stephen]

For Sniper pods http://www.shull24.com/

Lucy and Michelle decals are supposed to be forthcoming from MA. JFH Harriers usually fly without squadron markings so it's a case of check your references for the particular aircraft.

HTH

Stephen

[XV107]

Phil,

Harriers carry the UK Enhanced Paveway II on the innermost pylons, and a pair of tanks on the middle pair (that's ignoring the outrigger pylons, of course). EPWII were only cleared for the inner pylons, hence this configuration in TELIC. I'm not sure if clearances have been obtained for putting them on the middle pylons.

If carrying regular/legacy Paveway II, these go on the mid-wing pylons, with the tanks inner-most.

The Sidewinder outrigger pylons usually have a BOL rail fitted instead of the conventional one, and for early ops in TELIC, an additional pair of BOL rails were often carried on the outer pylons as well. AIM-9s aren't that common a sight, and certainly not on the outer BOL rails if fitted.

Mavericks aren't often carried in HERRICK, but if they are, they go on the middle pylons, with tanks inboard; same configuration was seen for TELIC. Cluster bombs when carried were of the BL755 type, and 1,000lb iron bombs were also toted from time to time. These went on the middle pylons also.

In Herrick, as well as the Paveway fit, aircraft also carry 540-lb iron bombs and CRV-7 pods, in both 19 and 7 round pods. The 540s tend to go on the outermost pylons. Both types of CRV-7 pods can be fitted, so it isn't uncommon to see a Harrier with two 540-lb bombs, a 19-shot CRV-7 pod and a 7-shot pod.

I don't know of them carrying both PW and AGM-65, though that's not to say it hasn't happened. AGM-65 aren't carried that often, and usually on specific occasions. The Harriers prefer to operate so that they have a range of weapons available, and this usually means that of a two-ship, one will have the PW and the other will have the CRV-7/540lb bomb mix. If both can have designator pods, great, but often only one will be so fitted.

TIALD has been used in Afghanistan, and Sniper was first flown in theatre in May 2007.

There was a webpage out there with a couple of these fits illustrated a while back. I'll try and find it.

Edit: here it is - http://www.aviation-news.co.uk/herricksharriers.html

Edited November 16, 2007 by XV107

[Phil]

If its in 1/48 ,then

http://amraamline.50megs.com/line.htm

might help

Ed

Yep, that's very helpful! I'm assuming the set:

48-003

RAF

armament update

2 x CPU-123/B LGBs and

2 x BOL missile rails

is the correct type of paveway, as opposed to the GBU 16s they also sell that are the US types? Is EPW visibly different to Paveway?

For the sniper pods, any thoughts as to which type listed here: http://www.shull24.com/ is the most appropriate?

I'm keen to have something on those outer pylons, are there any 540lb iron bombs available on the market at all?

[hatchet]

Yep, that's very helpful! I'm assuming the set:

48-003

RAF

armament update

2 x CPU-123/B LGBs and

2 x BOL missile rails

is the correct type of paveway, as opposed to the GBU 16s they also sell that are the US types? Is EPW visibly different to Paveway?

For the sniper pods, any thoughts as to which type listed here: http://www.shull24.com/ is the most appropriate?

I'm keen to have something on those outer pylons, are there any 540lb iron bombs available on the market at all?

Enhanced Paveway is almost similar to a normal Paveway II. It has GPS antennas on the top and bottom of the nose and, I think, a cable conduit running down one side. There's a picture somewhere on here where you can see it, posted by Andy Mullen if memory serves.

Go for the BEagle/Hog Sniper. I'm not sure whether you need the hardback or not, but if you do its nice to have. On the one for the Viper, it's integrated in the pylon.

Looking forward to seeing this progress mate

Edited November 17, 2007 by hatchet

[XV107]

CPU-123 is the lesser-known designation for PW based upon UK bombs, so they are the correct version (even lesser known is that a few were used by USN A-6s during Desert Storm).

As hatchet says, the EPW and PW are virtually identical. with the most obvious difference being the cable conduit:

http://www.deagel.com/library1/high/m02006120900045.jpg

(I've linked to the photo rather than embedding it here, since it's rather large)

More on the EPWII:

http://www.raytheon.com/products/stellent/...ms01_055757.pdf

[Phil]

If its in 1/48 ,then

http://amraamline.50megs.com/line.htm

might help

Ed

Hmm, well I've emailed them on the (hotmail! ) address on their page, but no response as yet. Are there any other stockists that anyone can recommend?

[Bobski]

Most common weapons load on Herrick Harriers are:

TIALD (now Sniper)

UK Paveway II (Enhanced)

UK Iron Bombs (1,000lb or 540lb)

CRV-7 Rockets

I don't believe that any AGM-65s have been deloyed and used in Afghanistan, mainly due to a lack of targets that would require them.

I'm still waiting for the Lucy and Michelle decals...

[XV107]

Bobski, my understanding from what I think is euphemistically referred to as 'an impeccable source' is that AGM-65 have been carried on occasion, but such occurances are extremely infrequent. The reason, as you say, is that there is a distinct (but not total) lack of targets for them.

[Jon Freeman]

Heres the Harrier section from the "War on Terror" sheet due out from Model Alliance shortly in 72nd & 48th.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/area39/wrqwrcopy.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/area...TerrorInst2.jpg

Jon

[hatchet]

Heres the Harrier section from the "War on Terror" sheet due out from Model Alliance shortly in 72nd & 48th.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/area39/wrqwrcopy.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/area...TerrorInst2.jpg

Jon

Pictures cannot be shown, because they contain errors

[Jon Freeman]

Try This then!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/area39/wrqwrcopy.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/area...TerrorInst2.jpg

Jon

[hatchet]

Try This then!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/area39/wrqwrcopy.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/area...TerrorInst2.jpg

Jon

Nope, it's the same

[Jon Freeman]

Oh well :shithappens:!!!

Crappy Photobucket!

They are both on the Afghan sheet anyways!

Jon

[AnonymousAA72]

Is the LERX in the Hasegawa kit the correct size?

Unfortunately No! I have the "Herrick" kit in the shop and it has decals for: ZG859/"91", ZG479/"69" and ZG504/"75". ALL have 100% LERX's whereas thekit has sprue "K" included which is the 65% LERX!

Grrrrrrrr

[Shaun]

Unfortunately No! I have the "Herrick" kit in the shop and it has decals for: ZG859/"91", ZG479/"69" and ZG504/"75". ALL have 100% LERX's whereas thekit has sprue "K" included which is the 65% LERX!

Grrrrrrrr

Hasegawa make some of the best kits on the market, but sometimes it makes you think who does the "research?"

The box art show a 100% LERX, so there was a big hint there!

Don't they listen to the modelers feed back?

Us British modelers have been complaining about the 65% LERX is the GR7 release, since it apeared.

If they would have chose to model the other "OP Telic" large shark mouth Harrier (ZD408/37) the 65% LERX would have been correct.

Shaun.

Edited November 26, 2007 by Shaun

[Jon Freeman]

A bit of Photoshop tomfoolery from about 4 years back...my first GR7 build using the Monogram AV-8B with the AMRAAM resin set..BTW the AMRAAM set has got the 65 & 100% LERX.

Jon

[AnonymousAA72]

Hasegawa make some of the best kits on the market, but sometimes it makes you think who does the "research?"

The box art show a 100% LERX, so there was a big hint there!

Don't they listen to the modelers feed back?

Us British modelers have been complaining about the 65% LERX is the GR7 release, since it apeared.

If they would have chose to model the other "OP Telic" large shark mouth Harrier (ZD408/37) the 65% LERX would have been correct.

Shaun.

Yep!! I spent a few minutes rummaging around in the box to see if the 100% LERX set was indeed included - alas the instruction sheet confirmed my worse fears!!

I have used the AMRAAM 100% LERX, on a Monogram GR7 conversion, and was quite pleased with it, though the detail wasn't as crisp as we'd expect or indeed now get on the Hasegawa kit.

I'm not sure if AMRAAM are still going? The website seems to have not been updated for some time.

[Phil]

I'm not sure if AMRAAM are still going? The website seems to have not been updated for some time.

I've ordered the UK armament update, the TIALD and the Mk12. It took a few days for them to respond, but the order went through, although perhaps they don't hold much stock since it wont be dispatched until early December.

I dont see the 100% LERX though?

[AnonymousAA72]

I've ordered the UK armament update, the TIALD and the Mk12. It took a few days for them to respond, but the order went through, although perhaps they don't hold much stock since it wont be dispatched until early December.

I dont see the 100% LERX though?

Good to see that they are still in business....I seem to recall that the 100% LERX was included in the GR7 conversion set, along with a new resin nose, 'winder pylons and seat (which was rather nice).

[coneheadff]

Hi guys,

now I'm confused...do the UK Harrier Gr.7 and/or Gr.9 have 100% or 65% LERX???

Thanks in advance

Alex

[AnonymousAA72]

Hi guys,

now I'm confused...do the UK Harrier Gr.7 and/or Gr.9 have 100% or 65% LERX???

Thanks in advance

Alex

Basically....BOTH!! All GR5's (all converted to GR7/9) and early GR7's had 65% LERX's

Later GR7's had 100% LERX's.Taken from Nick Greenall's FAQ on the Harrier SIG:

"ZD318-330, ZD345-355, ZD375-380, ZD400-412, i.e. the original GR.5s, all have 65% LERX.

ZD430-438, ZD461-470, GR.5A>GR.7>GR.9?, all have 65% LERX.

ZG471-ZG476, GR.7, all have 65% LERX;

ZG477-ZG480, GR.7, all have 100% LERX;

ZG500-ZG512, GR.7, , have 100% LERX.

(Technically ZG506/77 was the first 100% LERX a/c,)

ZG530-ZG533, ZG856-862, GR.7, 100% LERX fitted as standard.

ZH653-665, T.10s, all T.10s have 65% LERX but with the frog-eye fire access points"

There are of course some anomolies. There was a plan to retro fit some A/Cwith 100% LERX's, and some were partially fitted - i.e having the "frog's eye's". I daresay cost was a factor in not retro-fitting, but I seen to recall that the addition of them also causes an additional stress factor on the airframes. I'm sure someone will correct this last statement if its not correct!

Edited November 30, 2007 by Bill Clark

[coneheadff]

Thanks Bill!!

[amraamline]

Hello, here's Luca of Amraam Line.

Yes, we are still open for business, as our sister company Eagle Designs (http://eagledesigns.50megs.com/home.html) is.

However, we hold no stock and produce on demand, this means you should be a little patient.

While old sets to convert the Monogram Harrier are sold out now, I still have stocks of the 100% lerx that were made for it.

Don't know and have no way to check if it fits the Hasegawa kit but anyone interested in ordering it along with other items, just has to tell me so. I think $4.00 is ok for the 100% lerx.

And all the "GBU" sets we have are for US made laser guided bombs.

Cheers!

Luca

PS: Phil from NZ, your order has been mailed 3 days ago. Thanks!