Blacktjet Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) Just thought this might help anyone wanting to correct this kits errors. Starting with the fuselage/wing section. The wing is not only too far forward but also has an incorrect AOA Wing box removed as a box section with a cut-out between fillets Shaded areas removed Wing box section fitted into new position with correct AOA Comparison between new and old wing positions Edited April 29, 2011 by Blacktjet 1
Romeo Alpha Yankee Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 It looks like an easier way attack the AOA problem. Pity I did all the other surgurey before I new about it. I thought it was just the wells that were in the wrong position but it makes sence since I had had to move the auxilliary gear door locations as well.
Blacktjet Posted January 20, 2011 Author Posted January 20, 2011 The two wing box halves are fitted to give an angled cross-section to the wing box - this leaves a gap to be filled! Gap filled with resin, to make a strong joint. Now onto the forward fuselage, which has a circular cross-section and it should be a sort of egg shape The forward fuselage is cut at the cockpit floor and each half has a 6mm section removed from the full length at the top. Once glued back together, this will give a basis for the correct cross-section. Sorry, accidentally deleated the photo! More progress tomorrow.
Romeo Alpha Yankee Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 You are making it look so much easier than the pain I have been through with my build! Keep the updates coming. You might get me interested in my build again!
pacificmustang Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 Gday Blackjet. I take it we are talking about the anigrand 72 scale kit here? Would you be able to provide actual measurements of your wing box and wing fillet cut so that I can apply them to my kit? I have this kit and am making up a file using your's and Trojan's builds for when I Do mine. Great stuff, looking forward to further updates Regards Bruce
Blacktjet Posted January 22, 2011 Author Posted January 22, 2011 (edited) Hi Bruce, Ill add measurements to the pictures but your best bet is to get a Revell 1/144 C-17 and use it as a guide. top view showing reduction Now to tackle the forward fuselage in plan view. The kit cockpit is about the width of a ships bridge! The fuselage on the real aircraft tapers down dramatically, from its max width to the cockpit. The fuselage is cut at the marked line and split into left and right halves. 5mm is removed from the top of each half and then each halves mating surfaces are flat sanded including the nose section. Try not to take any resin off the bottom. You need to get a taper of 5mm at the top to 0mm at the bottom. After sanding, you should now remove the cockpit floor and add a new one just below the square windows. I haven’t done this because I’m going to make a fibreglass copy of the corrected fuselage for future use (I don’t want to have to do this all over again!) and this model will be finished as a solid model. Comparison, showing reduction in width at cockpit With the forward fuselage at the correct width, I can now start filling and shaping Edited January 22, 2011 by Blacktjet
Deon Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 Thats a really challenging fix which you make look easy. I just can't believe Anigrand would get the shape and wing position so wrong. Id love to have one , but Im not going to encourage Anigrand's lack of attention by buying one! I look forward to seeing this progress, Im sure it will be excellent when finished.
Blacktjet Posted January 22, 2011 Author Posted January 22, 2011 I just can't believe Anigrand would get the shape and wing position so wrong. The model is based on early McDD/Boeing 3-view drawings which are wrong, even the latest Boeing issued 3-views show the wing AOA wrong and the wing in the wrong position. What I can't understand is why Anigrand didn't do a complete fix for the re-issue. The 1/72 C-5 looks sweet 1
Blacktjet Posted January 27, 2011 Author Posted January 27, 2011 More progress and stage one of filling, to correct the forward fuselage 'plan' shape! Stage two will be to fill that hollow and correct the upper fuselage outline.
sweaty Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 Cracking build and workmanship, some guts cutting up that much monies worth of resin, hat off to you sir . All the best, Jamie
xffw45343tg Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 And where will we be able to buy these corrected fuselages then? This is fabulous stuff!
Blacktjet Posted January 27, 2011 Author Posted January 27, 2011 And where will we be able to buy these corrected fuselages then? This is fabulous stuff! I will be getting a local fiberglass company to make them for me. The cost of the mould is the expensive part but the more copies sprung from the mould, the cheaper it will be. I will be having 3 or 4 made so I will post how much they cost if anyone is interested in having one made too. Dont think there will be a problem with copyright as I have made major changes and at the end of the day, you still need to purchase an Anigrand kit
xffw45343tg Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 I will be getting a local fiberglass company to make them for me. The cost of the mould is the expensive part but the more copies sprung from the mould, the cheaper it will be. I will be having 3 or 4 made so I will post how much they cost if anyone is interested in having one made too. Dont think there will be a problem with copyright as I have made major changes and at the end of the day, you still need to purchase an Anigrand kit Please PM me with a quote when you're done - ZZ174 is destined for my stash and even if I had half your skill, I don't think I'd contemplate the major surgery you've demonstrated here. Had you thought of selling your masters back to Anigrand?
Rhino Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 I would definitely be interested as well, as mine sits at home forlorn in the box. Nicely done work.
jenshb Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 You've got guts to chop up and expensive kit and skills to pull it off. I'm not sure which amazes me the most:) Jens
Blacktjet Posted January 28, 2011 Author Posted January 28, 2011 Had you thought of selling your masters back to Anigrand? Had thought about offering a swap of a set of fiberglass fuselage halves for a Galaxy (the C-5 kind, not the chocolate bar - which I'm also quite fond of!) More progress soon
Blacktjet Posted January 28, 2011 Author Posted January 28, 2011 Stage 2 and upper fuselage shape sorted. Pencil line shows where the new wing/fuselage fillet should extend to. hope to have that done tomorrow.
Romeo Alpha Yankee Posted January 29, 2011 Posted January 29, 2011 Putty work looks good on your reshaped fuselage, I think I need to find myself a set of unwanted forward fuselage halves and have another crack at it
pacificmustang Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 Blackjet, sensational work and modelling. I too would be interested in a quote for your fibreglass fuselage when done as a RAAF example is on my to-do list. If you could PM me when you get a price, that would be great. As you may iknow Trojan Thunder (Ray) is doing the same build and was saying the cargo door was also wrong as was the fin Regards Bruce
Blacktjet Posted January 30, 2011 Author Posted January 30, 2011 Putty work looks good on your reshaped fuselage, I think I need to find myself a set of unwanted forward fuselage halves and have another crack at it Hi Ray, You could try asking Anigrand if they would sell you a set of 'corrected' forward fuselage halves for your original kit.
Blacktjet Posted January 30, 2011 Author Posted January 30, 2011 (edited) Blackjet, sensational work and modelling. I too would be interested in a quote for your fibreglass fuselage when done as a RAAF example is on my to-do list. If you could PM me when you get a price, that would be great. As you may iknow Trojan Thunder (Ray) is doing the same build and was saying the cargo door was also wrong as was the fin Regards Bruce Thanks for the praise Bruce but I think you will find "sensational modelling" elsewhere on this forum! I just have a good eye for outline and the ability to work out how to fix a problem. Yes, the cargo door is wrong and the fin top is too, as is the fin aerofoil section. Having fixed the centre section, I'm working from nose to tail and there is a long list of things to sort out. The biggest problem however, is the fuselage belly, which again is circular in cross section but should flatten out from a point just aft of the nose gear bay. With the mods I have done, the model should look more like a C-17 but if you wanted to be 100% accurate, then the problems with the kit, don't just stop with the fuselage! Wing fillet should be done today and I'll post pictures later Edited January 30, 2011 by Blacktjet
Romeo Alpha Yankee Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Hi Ray, You could try asking Anigrand if they would sell you a set of 'corrected' forward fuselage halves for your original kit. Thanks, Anigrand offer an update set of the fuselage halves, a revised cockpit windscreen piece and revised RH sponson. After looking at the pictures I noticed the fuselage shape had not been altered and decided against spending another US$60 for it.
youngtiger1 Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Holy cow batman, this is some serious overhaul. Blackjet, you are doing a wonderful job with this kit. I purchased the kit back when the first issue was released and after reading what was wrong with it I sold it to an other brave individual that could work with it then myself. If you ever decide to offer a correct copy of this kit then you'll have my money for sure... Mike
Blacktjet Posted February 1, 2011 Author Posted February 1, 2011 Work on the wing/fuelage fairing almost done, just a couple of fillets to add.
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