SaintsPhil Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Good Afternoon all, I'm after some info on the British Centurion Tanks that took part in operation musketeer during the Suez crisis. I have the AFV club kit along with a bunch of extras, including the bison decals which I want to start soon, I may even put it up as a WIP. I have scoured google but info and pictures are quite few and far between so I thought I'd open it up to the BM knowledge base to see if anyone else had any useful bits of info. One thing I think I know, but could do with clarification on is the overall colour of the tanks. Google suggests BS light stone, which seems to be reasonable. Any info greatly received! Thanks in advance Phil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggers Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) Bison Decals did a set 1/35 Suez 1956 ( 1) - British Tanks -35119 http://www.olddogmodels.com/decals/735119-bison-decals-1-35-suez-1956-1-british-troops-35119.html (I have no connection with OldDogModels, it was found using Google looking for "Bison decals Suez") Cancel that just re-read your post, sorry no other information. You could try emailing the owner of Bison about any references he used - [email protected] Edited November 5, 2015 by Baggers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Been thinking along these lines myself recently. This British Pathe newsreel has some footage of Centurions in Port Said shortly after the end of the fighting. (The unfortunate Lieutenant Moorhouse died when his captors imprisoned him in a chest and he suffocated. His body was repatriated in I believe 1957.) Here are stills from the video: http://www.britishpathe.com/video/stills/search-for-kidnapped-officer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsPhil Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share Posted November 5, 2015 Thanks, I came across the British Pathe news reel a while back on a previous search but you've reminded me about that one again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Thanks, I came across the British Pathe news reel a while back on a previous search but you've reminded me about that one again! Ah, blast! There are more from this video, anyway: http://www.britishpathe.com/video/stills/e-day, including some good images of Nasser's Nightmare, the tank I'm hoping to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsPhil Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share Posted November 5, 2015 I didn't know the story of the kidnapped officer though, I'll watch those videos this evening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arachnid Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Is it possible to build a british centurion from the afv kit of the shot kal ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidave4 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Light stone sounds right...I have only seen black and white images. They appear to be the same colours/spec as the Aden and Libyan deployments and I have colour pics of those. I have half a dozen Suez images, one from Getty, the others probably from regimental sites. PM me if you would like them. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Is it possible to build a british centurion from the afv kit of the shot kal ? IIRC, Brits Centurion at Suez were Mk.3. Original Israeli Sho't comes from the Mk.5, and the Sho't kal is a modernised version with a new engine (among other details), giving it a different upper rear hull. So it's not the best way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 IIRC, Brits Centurion at Suez were Mk.3. Nope. Mk.5, or at least had the later turret arrangement with the repositioned sight (you can see this in the photos I linked to) and later loader's hatch, which is functionally the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Oops. Confusion with those participating in the Korean war. But conclusion is the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsPhil Posted November 18, 2015 Author Share Posted November 18, 2015 Thanks chaps, PM on the way Dave. I have the 1967 boxing of the Shot centurion, I believe this represents the Mk5 standard that the IDF received, prior to any modifications so I think I'm good to go to make the Mk5 with the 105mm gun, although I have a feeling the 20lber might also be in there but I've not checked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arachnid Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) IIRC, Brits Centurion at Suez were Mk.3. Original Israeli Sho't comes from the Mk.5, and the Sho't kal is a modernised version with a new engine (among other details), giving it a different upper rear hull. So it's not the best way to go. Thanks for that,anybody wanna swap a shot kal centurion for a mk3 or 5 british one? Edited November 18, 2015 by Arachnid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsPhil Posted November 18, 2015 Author Share Posted November 18, 2015 Assuming the decal sheet I have is right, there was a mix of upgraded Mk3 and Mk5, presumably with the engine mods made. I have found other sources on the net that seem to suggest that the 1967 Shot boxing is fine to use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsPhil Posted November 18, 2015 Author Share Posted November 18, 2015 Going full circle I found this thread via google http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/27691-can-i-produce-a-suez-centurion-from-an-afv-kit/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles87 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 I am looking to do exactly the same thing and have a further question. I presume that the tanks would have been specially painted for " Musketeer ", but would the new colour have extended to the undersides? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob G Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 If you're on Facebook, there's a rather active Centurion group there, with lots of members being ex-crew or descendants thereof. Might be work a look. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 If you're on Facebook, there's a rather active Centurion group there, with lots of members being ex-crew or descendants thereof. Might be work a look. wh-a-a-a-a-a-at? Linky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob G Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 wh-a-a-a-a-a-at? Linky? Farcebook - it's full of stuff and things. https://www.facebook.com/groups/134672933274865/?fref=ts Edit: 'work a look'? Fat fingers and phone keyboards and autocorrect... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lashenden Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 I was just considering tackling a Suez Centurion myself - its surprising what a complicated proposition this seems to be, as no one seems to agree on even on what kit to base it on. What I can offer, from another life restoring series 1 land rovers and other 50s machinery painted by the War Office (mainly ex-Cyprus) is that the surviving colour I've seen was very 'restrained', almost cream - light stone sounds just right. It was also, in my experience, always gloss, just like the deep bronze green on NW European vehicles in the same decade. How much you choose to replicate a gloss finish is of course entirely up to you, but mine will reflect a little bit of light! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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