Robert Stuart Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I've said enough in other threads, I suppose I should start one of my own ... This is the Tiger Moth I want to build - assuming I can get the codes to work Source: http://www.milspotters.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=6168&start=15 (Why am I not worried about those hub caps? I should be) There atr plenty of images of this machine (Google Images: https://www.google.com/search?q=tiger+moth&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAWoVChMI29yp0by3xwIVw7IUCh38DQkt&biw=1245&bih=784#tbm=isch&q=tiger+moth+g-ajhs&imgrc=_L59X9NNE0FA7M%3A ) Some show silver wings ... Source: http://www.wingsovereurope.com/tiger_moth_dh_82_gal_2.html Others show white wings with a blue sun-burst - it is in the latter configuration I hope to build her ... Source: http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/2008/06/04/tweedekker-fly-in-at-lelystad-2006/ Planning - I've had a go at making the registration code .. Quite how I make these white letters in 1/72 scale I don't know. Possibly I'll mask them out (is there a better, affordable solution?) The kit I'll be using is the current Airfix 1/72 Tiger Moth We must have plenty of sprue shots in this forum, but here are some more ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galgos Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 It's good to have you along Robert, and yes, doing those codes in white in 1/72 is going to be a challenge but what a glorious scheme. It should look stunning. Max 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Wannabe Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I'd negative print the letters on white decal paper...like this: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted August 20, 2015 Author Share Posted August 20, 2015 (edited) Thanks Cap'n, that might be the way to go - easier than masking Edited August 20, 2015 by Robert Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted August 20, 2015 Author Share Posted August 20, 2015 (edited) Folowing on from the Cap'n's suggestion, I've roughed out some decals ... I scanned one half of the kit fuselage and the lower wings to get a sense of scale, and then used a photo of the real aircraft to judge size and position. I haven't seen a suitable shot of the underside of Hotel Sierra, so may need to adjust those underwing codes later Following Cap'n's suggestion, the fuselage codes have a blue ground as does the Tiger Moth logo(?) between the cabine struts. The logo appears to be a black tiger moth (insect) on a silver star. I've seen the insect in different colours on different aircraft, so presume there is a choice for this badge. The scan has also picked up that Airfix, like Matchbox before them, made an error with the rear cockpit door (see red rings). I'm not sure that I'd improve matters by trying to re-scribe these. On colour - at the moment, I'm working on the assumption that Hotel Sierra was cyan when the sun-burst was in use. If somebody knows better, please let me know. Edited August 20, 2015 by Robert Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ww1steve Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 "On colour - at the moment, I'm working on the assumption that Hotel Sierra was cyan when the sun-burst was in use. If somebody knows better, please let me know." googling images there are some with the sunburst wings that are the same blue as your first two pictures, are you sure the cyan is not an effect of the film/lighting conditions? Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted August 21, 2015 Author Share Posted August 21, 2015 Hello Steve No, I'm not sure. The photo references are VERY variable, but cyan, a lightened phthalo blue (Rowney blue, Winsor blue), a lightened ultramarine (Kings blue) or a light grey blue are my main contenders - but that's four options, most of which would need mixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted August 21, 2015 Author Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) Other information (me thinking out loud and reference shots) I believe the wings were changed from white with a blue sunburst to silver in summer 2010 - there's a video of the aircraft here (uploaded July 2010) with the sunburst and here (uploaded Auguat 2010) with silver wings. The fuselage could have been recovered at the same time (I have my doubts).The aircraft is based at the Vkiegend (Flying) Museum, Seppe, in Holland Underwing codes are on the left (port) wing only (see http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/000246008.html). White on blue in 2005, black on silver currently. Note 2005 photo shows right wings as white (or blue?), and left as blue with white codes. Cockpit view here http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/000473436.html- note oxide pink fabric Several shots here: http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photos/G-AJHS:530986:1.html In 1976, Hotel Sierra was yellow with silver wings Edited August 21, 2015 by Robert Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Wannabe Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 It may be a trick of the light, but Folowing on from the Cap'n's suggestion, I've roughed out some decals ... I scanned one half of the kit fuselage and the lower wings to get a sense of scale, and then used a photo of the real aircraft to judge size and position. I haven't seen a suitable shot of the underside of Hotel Sierra, so may need to adjust those underwing codes later Following Cap'n's suggestion, the fuselage codes have a blue ground as does the Tiger Moth logo(?) between the cabine struts. The logo appears to be a black tiger moth (insect) on a silver star. I've seen the insect in different colours on different aircraft, so presume there is a choice for this badge. The scan has also picked up that Airfix, like Matchbox before them, made an error with the rear cockpit door (see red rings). I'm not sure that I'd improve matters by trying to re-scribe these. On colour - at the moment, I'm working on the assumption that Hotel Sierra was cyan when the sun-burst was in use. If somebody knows better, please let me know. It may be a trick of the light, but if you look closely at the area surrounding the registration, it appears to be a slightly different shade of blue to the rest of the airframe.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted August 21, 2015 Author Share Posted August 21, 2015 Well spotted Cap'n, there is a distinct colour change aft of the G (pretty well pn the rear stroke of the G), that has nothing to do with changes in the fuselage structure - I hadn't thought to look for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrtpaul Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Looking good there Robert. Oh and BTW don't congratulate Cap'n Wannabe too much otherwise he'll ge t a big head and then I have to deal with him :mental: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted August 21, 2015 Author Share Posted August 21, 2015 Looking good there Robert. Oh and BTW don't congratulate Cap'n Wannabe too much otherwise he'll ge t a big head and then I have to deal with him :mental: Maybe not too much then? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 A liitle progress to report, strakes added to the fudelage, and a start on the cockpit. Seat belts are yet to be added (they'll be tape) and then I can close the fuselage (after dealing with the headrests) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritJet Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Some photos of 'JHS amongst mine from the Moth Rally that might be of use to you. You could do the DH hub caps in the same way as the fuselage registrations - on a blue disc the same diameter as the kit part. Matching the blue to the paint you intend to use is the problem though. In the past I've printed a thin outline close to the paint colour and then painted up to it, if you get the printed colour fairly close then any parts you can't paint, such as in between small letters, looks ok. Steve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) Thanks Steve, I'd noticed from your photos that JHS has a new 'something' under the fuselage, between the wheel struts (e.g. here http://s592.photobucket.com/user/BritjetsPhotos/media/Tiger%20Moths/DSCF1006_zpspx5ybbs8.jpg.html?sort=3&o=27 and http://s592.photobucket.com/user/BritjetsPhotos/media/Tiger%20Moths/DSCF0925_zpsrtbfojci.jpg.html?sort=3&o=63 ). On painting the wheel hubs, the hubs seem to be embosses with the DH logo, so I was wondering if the hairspray method would work (does SWMBO use hairspray, and could I aquire some?) Anyway. thanks for the pointers, I'll certainly consider the painted decal approach for the fuselage & wings {edit} I notice that 'thing' was present in August 2010, when the silver wings were new, but there are photos of the silver wing version dlying without it (e.g. http://www.airnieuws.nl/luchtvaartartikelen/werkhoven/index.htmland scroll down) {/edit} Edited August 24, 2015 by Robert Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritJet Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Thanks Steve, I'd noticed from your photos that JHS has a new 'something' under the fuselage, between the wheel struts (e.g. here http://s592.photobucket.com/user/BritjetsPhotos/media/Tiger%20Moths/DSCF1006_zpspx5ybbs8.jpg.html?sort=3&o=27 and http://s592.photobucket.com/user/BritjetsPhotos/media/Tiger%20Moths/DSCF0925_zpsrtbfojci.jpg.html?sort=3&o=63 ). On painting the wheel hubs, the hubs seem to be embosses with the DH logo, so I was wondering if the hairspray method would work (does SWMBO use hairspray, and could I aquire some?) Anyway. thanks for the pointers, I'll certainly consider the painted decal approach for the fuselage & wings {edit} I notice that 'thing' was present in August 2010, when the silver wings were new, but there are photos of the silver wing version dlying without it (e.g. http://www.airnieuws.nl/luchtvaartartikelen/werkhoven/index.htmland scroll down) {/edit} No idea what the 'thing' is I'm afraid, but at least it's a simple shape if you choose to add it. I wouldn't worry about the DH logo being embossed in 1/72 it's only going to be small amount. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 If you paint the hubs white first you might be able to wipe off the blue top coat when it's still wet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ww1steve Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Thanks Steve, I'd noticed from your photos that JHS has a new 'something' under the fuselage, between the wheel struts It's a wind-driven generator, used to charge the radio batteries. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
06/24 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 The hubs are embossed, and if AdrianMF's suggestion doesn't work, a light dry brush or rub with karismacolor pencil should suffice? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted September 2, 2015 Author Share Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) Thanks Steve (both of you), Adrian and 06/24. Edited September 2, 2015 by Robert Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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