GreenDragon Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 This is probably a dumb question but could any of our experts here tell me if there was a TSR.1. I've always assumed it was probably the Canberra but never referered to as such? Paul Harrison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Alpha Yankee Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 I believe the Fairey Swordfish had the TSR.1 designation. Correct me if I am wrong here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Drewe Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Conventional wisdom holds that although not designated such, TSR.1 was the Canberra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perry Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSR_1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi-Jiff Kenobi Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 I believe the Fairey Swordfish had the TSR.1 designation. Correct me if I am wrong here. The original Fairey private venture design that led to the Swordfish was TSR I (torpedo, spotter, reconnaisance); reworked slightly to become the Swordfish, it was TSR II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousDFB1 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 This sounds like a cue for Peter Marshall (We always talk at cross purposes when mentioning TSR 2/II) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentwaters81tfw Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 I had always been led to believe it was the Swordfish. If one follows the Canberra line, it leads to the Mosquito. Take your pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spike7451 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Sorry chaps but you're all wrong! The TSR1 eventually came into service & is now known as the....... EUROFIGHTER TYPHOON! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamienB Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 The '2' in TSR.2 simply stood for mach 2... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDragon Posted November 13, 2008 Author Share Posted November 13, 2008 (edited) Thanks for the info everyone! So to recap it's a Swordfish, or a Canberra, or simply 2 standing for Mach 2. The last one from DamienB seems to ring a bell somewhere. Paul Harrison Edited November 13, 2008 by GreenDragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmk.6john Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Paul, Tactical Strike/Reconnaissance 2 (TSR-2), the '2' as rightly stated by DB stood for 'mach 2' which was one of the stipulations of GOR339, the aircraft was required to achieve mach2+ performance at high altitude. Regards, JB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmk.6john Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Paul, Just to add a litlle more substance to what has already been said......... The Swordfish was based on a Fairey Private Venture (PV) design; a proposed solution to the Air Ministry requirements for a Spotter-Reconnaissance plane - Spotter referring to observing the fall of a warship's gunfire. A subsequent Air Ministry specification S.15/33, added the torpedo bomber role. The "Torpedo-Spotter-Reconnaissance" prototype TSR II (the PV was the TSR I) first flew on April 17, 1934. It was a large biplane with a metal frame covered in fabric, and featured folding wings for carrier use. An order was placed in 1935 and the aircraft entered service in 1936, replacing the Fairey Seal in the torpedo bomber role. HTH, JB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsrjoe Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 the TSR2 designator originally Tactical Support Reconaissance (later amended to strike) seems to have come about through internal discussions with the anocrym referring to the TSR1 as the Canberra. There is a snippet in one of the National Archives files at Kew mentioning the '2' referring to '2 seat', 'Mach 2' etc (as correctly noted by Damien) but there seems to be no official basis for the number being related to this, the note being a 'tounge in cheek' response to someone asking a similar question when the 'TSR.2' designation was released cheers, Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDragon Posted December 3, 2008 Author Share Posted December 3, 2008 Thanks for the extra info guys! Paul Harrison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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