F-4M EMI weapons options

[alrite]

Hi all,

Just want to check what stores a F-4M phantom from either 41 or 2 squadron would carry with the EMI recce pod. I've heard they didn't carry anything, but sometimes 4 Aim-9b/L's but also two sparrow's located in the forward recessed bays?

Any help or advise on the loadout would be greatly appreciated,

cheers, will.

[Graham T]

Have a pic of a 41 squadron machine with the pod, 4 x Sparrow & 4 x BL755. Also a 54 squadron machine with pod, 2 x Sparrows in the rear recesses with ballast rounds forward & 4 x Matra pods. Other pics showing pod, tanks & strike camera. HTH.

[Antoine]

By the way, sidewinder wise, apart from the Lima after 82, what mark was used by the RAF?

[PHREAK]

41 Squadron had a secondary role of ground attack and so could be seen tooled up on a regular basis, often with SNEB pods or bombs. I have no evidence of a 2 Squadron aircraft toting sidewinders.

2 squadron aircraft very rarley carried anything but the EMI pod and a strike camera in the forward port missile bay with an inert ballast round in the starboard bay.

54 Squadron had a primary role of ground attack but also undertook recon missions.

HTH

PS : Only 'mericuns call the RAF Phantom an F-4M, we call it an FGR2!

Edited April 1, 2009 by PHREAK

[alrite]

Have a pic of a 41 squadron machine with the pod, 4 x Sparrow & 4 x BL755. Also a 54 squadron machine with pod, 2 x Sparrows in the rear recesses with ballast rounds forward & 4 x Matra pods. Other pics showing pod, tanks & strike camera. HTH.

Cheers, I think I'll go for the EMI, 4xBL755 and the 4 sparrows, seems a rather impressive load.

[alrite]

41 Squadron had a secondary role of ground attack and so could be seen tooled up on a regular basis, often with SNEB pods or bombs. I have no evidence of a 2 Squadron aircraft toting sidewinders.

2 squadron aircraft very rarley carried anything but the EMI pod and a strike camera in the forward port missile bay with an inert ballast round in the starboard bay.

54 Squadron had a primary role of ground attack but also undertook recon missions.

HTH

PS : Only 'mericuns call the RAF Phantom an F-4M, we call it an FGR2!

Thankyou, I'll guess I'll make it a 41 Sqn jet. Lol, when I called it the F-4M I thought I was playing it safe as I'm not too much clued up on the FGR.1/2 variations with all the RWR's and extra add-ons. So I'm guessing all RN aircraft were FGR.1's and all RAF were FGR.2's, regardless of the RWR on the tail.

Anyways thanks again.

By the way, sidewinder wise, apart from the Lima after 82, what mark was used by the RAF?

I've gathered in the early days the Aim-9B was used, latter rpelaced by the Aim-9L, but I'm no expert lol!

[PHREAK]

Almost all right!

FAA/RN F-4s were FG1s as they didn't have a ground attack role.

I look forward to seeing this one, don't often see 41 Squadrton FGR2s being built.

[alrite]

Almost all right!

FAA/RN F-4s were FG1s as they didn't have a ground attack role.

I look forward to seeing this one, don't often see 41 Squadrton FGR2s being built.

I get you now, I'll start using the proper language then lol

I've also stumbled across another question, could RAF phantoms (FGR2's) carry their bombs/cluster munitions along with a pair of Aim-9's on the inner wing pylons like this Israeli F-4E (wonderful build btw)? ; http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index....=145532&hl=

again thanks for any info/replies.

Edited April 1, 2009 by alrite

[PHREAK]

I get you now, I'll start using the proper language then lol

I've also stumbled across another question, could RAF phantoms (FGR2's) carry their bombs/cluster munitions along with a pair of Aim-9's on the inner wing pylons like this Israeli F-4E (wonderful build btw)? ; http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index....=145532&hl=

again thanks for any info/replies.

In short, no.

FGR2s never carried a mix on the inboard wing pylons.

[keefr22]

So I'm guessing all RN aircraft were FGR.1's and all RAF were FGR.2's, regardless of the RWR on the tail.

But don't forget that the RAF also inherited the FG1's when the carriers were scrapped....

Keef

Edited April 1, 2009 by keefr22

[XV107]

43 Squadron had the FG1 from the outset (reforming in September 1969); as a result of the decision not to upgrade HMS Eagle to operate the Phantom, there was a surplus of FG1s, and these were handed on to the RAF.

Phreak - I think you meant to say that the RN Phantoms didn't have a recce role, rather than attack?

[Westie7]

Hi all

Reading through this (whilst collecting aftermarket details for my 1/72 Fujimi FGR.2)

I was wondering if the outer pylons were tooled up *never/regularly/occasionally? * delete as applicable?

Kinda liked the idea of something other than tanks on the outers, but that gives me the problem of sourcing pylons and I have a hard enough job trying to find aires burner cans.

Rgds

Mark

[PHREAK]

Hi all

Reading through this (whilst collecting aftermarket details for my 1/72 Fujimi FGR.2)

I was wondering if the outer pylons were tooled up *never/regularly/occasionally? * delete as applicable?

Kinda liked the idea of something other than tanks on the outers, but that gives me the problem of sourcing pylons and I have a hard enough job trying to find aires burner cans.

Rgds

Mark

Tanks it is I'm afraid!

[Westie7]

Tanks it is I'm afraid!

Cheers for that, looks like it's just Matras and a gun

Rgds

Mark

[Colin S-K]

Will,

Not an expert by any standard, but depends what you want to do? War fit, what they were occasionally seen with, or secondary roles....

Would suggest War fit for 2 Sqn, and 41 Sqn to a slightly lesser extent. Would be EMI pod, very heavy, and aerodynamic penalty, I.E. BIG.... Sidewinders for defence, possibly only two, with tanks for range. Possibly strike camera as well....

In all honestly 'teararsing' around at low level over Northern Europe, you would want fuel, self defence(helps aircrew morale), and the Recce pod. Anything else potentially detracts from the mission.... I mean it's pointless unless you get back with the photos.... isn't it..?

2 Sqn being nearer the action, 41 Sqn having a bit more of a breathing space being in UK.... Secondary roles, were just that, secondary.....

If you want something a little more interesting about what they carried? Feel free to email me, have a few interesting photos.....

[email protected]

Colin

[Jennings Heilig]

43 Squadron had the FG1 from the outset (reforming in September 1969); as a result of the decision not to upgrade HMS Eagle to operate the Phantom, there was a surplus of FG1s, and these were handed on to the RAF.

Phreak - I think you meant to say that the RN Phantoms didn't have a recce role, rather than attack?

Any idea what squadron might have flown the FG.1s had the Eagle not been decommissioned?? That's an interesting semi-whiff possibility!

J

[keefr22]

My vote would go for 899 NAS. A Toom would look pretty good with the fist on the fin....!!!

Keef

[Jennings Heilig]

My vote would go for 899 NAS. A Toom would look pretty good with the fist on the fin....!!!

Yeah, baby, yeah!

And another variation

Edited April 16, 2009 by Jennings Heilig

[keefr22]

Yup - nice!!