Panzer 2 interior colour

[Rodders]

Hi All,

Could i ask if the panzer 2 interior was in Cremeweiss the sort of off white yellow colour or was it only later tanks that were painted this colour.

Thanks for any help,

Cheers,

Rodders.

[senux]

If we talk about an office premises (driver and combat area) as to my knowledge it was kind of white tone- Elfenbein or Cremeweiss. 

RAL 1001 for example

The motor section and rest was red primer tone.

 

In the late war even driver/RO compartment they say was in red primer. The industry was in lack of proper color. seems so.

 

[Nemanja]

22 hours ago, Rodders said:

Hi All,

Could i ask if the panzer 2 interior was in Cremeweiss the sort of off white yellow colour or was it only later tanks that were painted this colour.

Thanks for any help,

Cheers,

Rodders.

It depends what period of war you want to depict. Early vehicles had two tone compartments, upper compartments in RAL 1001 (a light ivory color) and lower compartments in greyish green color, similar to RAL 7033. Around 1943, manufacturers stopped using greyish-green color for lower surfaces and left them in red oxide primer (RAL 8012).  If you are painting a vehicle prior to 1943, I'd go with RAL 1001 for the turret and upper parts and RAL 7033 for the floor and modules. 

[nheather]

57 minutes ago, Nemanja said:

It depends what period of war you want to depict. Early vehicles had two tone compartments, upper compartments in RAL 1001 (a light ivory color) and lower compartments in greyish green color, similar to RAL 7033. Around 1943, manufacturers stopped using greyish-green color for lower surfaces and left them in red oxide primer (RAL 8012).  If you are painting a vehicle prior to 1943, I'd go with RAL 1001 for the turret and upper parts and RAL 7033 for the floor and modules. 

Thanks, I didn’t know about the use of RAL 7033 and since early war is my main interest that is very useful to know.  Just checking, would the driver’s compartment have had RAL 1001 walls or was it all RAL 7033 down there?

[Nemanja]

21 minutes ago, nheather said:

Thanks, I didn’t know about the use of RAL 7033 and since early war is my main interest that is very useful to know.  Just checking, would the driver’s compartment have had RAL 1001 walls or was it all RAL 7033 down there?

The driver's compartment wall would be RAL 1001, the floor and everything on it would be RAL 7033, but even that wasn't always the case and sometimes the entire lower compartment was in RAL 7033. As such things were never "set in stone", you can always paint it as you want, to create the eye-pleasing contrast.

Edited October 18, 2023 by Nemanja

[Rodders]

Thanks for the help it gives me something to go on.

Cheers,

Rodders.

[Rodders]

Hi again,

I've been trying to get the colour that's similar to RAL7033 but can't find it. Can anyone help with a paint reference please,

Thanks,

Rodders.

[Nemanja]

6 minutes ago, Rodders said:

Hi again,

I've been trying to get the colour that's similar to RAL7033 but can't find it. Can anyone help with a paint reference please,

Thanks,

Rodders.

Hi, Rodders.

There is Vallejo 71.045 Cement Grey RAL7033 paint. Not sure how it looks out of the bottle, but to me, it looks like it needs a drop of green in the mix to get that RAL7033 shade. Hope this helps. Cheers!

[Rodders]

On 10/26/2023 at 12:15 PM, Nemanja said:

Hi, Rodders.

There is Vallejo 71.045 Cement Grey RAL7033 paint. Not sure how it looks out of the bottle, but to me, it looks like it needs a drop of green in the mix to get that RAL7033 shade. Hope this helps. Cheers!

thanks for the help again. I have the paint in the stash so will have a look,

Cheers,

Rodders.

[Nemanja]

Great, let me know how it went.

[Bozothenutter]

 Be aware the current RAL 1001, is not the wartime colour!

I think that is now 1014 🤔

[Nemanja]

On 10/30/2023 at 12:12 PM, Bozothenutter said:

 Be aware the current RAL 1001, is not the wartime colour!

I think that is now 1014 🤔

You are right, the wartime RAL chart is different than modern one. Interior 1001 color looked like anywhere between modern RAL 1013 and 1015. But after some weathering, even the palest "cremweiss" can look very similar. Count in a scale effect, if you like and that's that. 

[vaoinas]

David Byrden at his website says, the lower colour in the early war panzers was RAL7009 which was apparently a bit different hue at these days.

He also says that Humbrol 115 is almost perfect match to that. Humbrol 115 is long discontinued by now, 

but I managed to get some jars from the old stock a while ago and made my own mix based on that using Tamiya paints.

 

Here you are if it helps:

10x XF-25

10x XF-18

12x XF-21

1x XF-59

 

 

Kristjan

[f matthews]

Kristjan-that is extremely helpful. I've tried to get that whole thing nailed down for years.  Having no solid examples and just going by written descriptions, I came up with this colour, but it appears a tad too greenish maybe.  

Also everyone should remember that Panzer IIs were not made after 1943, so they wouldn't fall into that "it's all primer red" category in any event!

 

Edited January 12 by f matthews

[vaoinas]

6 hours ago, f matthews said:

Kristjan-that is extremely helpful. I've tried to get that whole thing nailed down for years.  Having no solid examples and just going by written descriptions, I came up with this colour, but it appears a tad too greenish maybe.  

Also everyone should remember that Panzer IIs were not made after 1943, so they wouldn't fall into that "it's all primer red" category in any event!

 

 

 

Thanks, f matthews! 

Yours seems a bit greenish indeed but pretty good.

 

Here's some of my own examples, though the lighting conditions are different as is the contrasting cremeweiss/elfenbein color.

First one has been painted with  Humbrol 115 straight out of the jar. On the other one I used my own mix as described above.

 

 

 

 

Cheers!

Kristjan

[f matthews]

These look great!

[f matthews]

On 1/12/2024 at 5:19 AM, vaoinas said:

 

Thanks, f matthews! 

Yours seems a bit greenish indeed but pretty good.

 

Here's some of my own examples, though the lighting conditions are different as is the contrasting cremeweiss/elfenbein color.

First one has been painted with  Humbrol 115 straight out of the jar. On the other one I used my own mix as described above.

 

 

 

 

Cheers!

Kristjan

When did this change from blue-grey to red?  I've got an early '43 StuG III Ausf. G with interior next up in the order, so it would be great to have the correct colour!

[vaoinas]

45 minutes ago, f matthews said:

When did this change from blue-grey to red?  I've got an early '43 StuG III Ausf. G with interior next up in the order, so it would be great to have the correct colour!

 

According to Mr. David Byrden the order came in late 1942. 

Edited January 15 by vaoinas

[f matthews]

1 hour ago, vaoinas said:

 

According to Mr. David Byrden the order came in late 1942. 

I'll stick with red on this one, but will do an earlier Ausf. soon with the blue-grey!  Thanks so much for the info.

[vaoinas]

3 minutes ago, f matthews said:

I'll stick with red on this one, but will do an earlier Ausf. soon with the blue-grey!  Thanks so much for the info.

 

Yeah, my own take on this is quite liberal, as one can see of my Panther interior.

My own personal guess is that the change didn't happen in an instance, but they painted gray green as long as 

one factory or the other had it in the storage and then switched to red oxide lower interior.