rob Lyttle Posted June 4, 2020 Author Share Posted June 4, 2020 That's probably what I SHOULD be doing more of, instead of building these things! Although, if I think of it as an art medium, I can nearly get away with it 😉 Short 184 at RNAS Newlyn 1918.... Tell you what, I'd rather draw one of these than try to rig one! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, rob Lyttle said: That's probably what I SHOULD be doing more of, instead of building these things! Although, if I think of it as an art medium, I can nearly get away with it 😉 Short 184 at RNAS Newlyn 1918.... Tell you what, I'd rather draw one of these than try to rig one! I love it! That is very good! You are very talented! Mine is a bit, how shall I put it... "out there": http://luchina.com/archives 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted June 4, 2020 Author Share Posted June 4, 2020 I've put a few on here, but a phone camera isn't ideal for this kind of stuff. Thanks for your link. We've got a lot to talk about sometime ‼️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted June 4, 2020 Author Share Posted June 4, 2020 Although the wings are not glued on yet, the prospect of getting her up on her legs is looming, and I'm sorting some parts. I tried this.... It's a process that is not always successful, but these wheels are eminently suitable for it. A quick whizz round with a decent blade in the rim line and the surplus comes away to leave a very paintable tyre line. A couple of nice big flat spots on the balloon tyres and a first coat of black and we're in business.... Any wobbles will clean back from the foil quite easily. The little tailwheel is a bit too fiddly for the same thing. Legs and brake lines and good to go. But I need a plan of action..... There's flaps to sort out and various items that could do with happening in a coherent order 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 22 minutes ago, rob Lyttle said: I've put a few on here, but a phone camera isn't ideal for this kind of stuff. I just visited, FANTASTIC!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Very impressed with your artwork. First saw the sketches back in August ‘17. Drawing is probably less stressful than foiling a big model, which you are very good at (#47 for example). How do you polish them up? Results like you are able to achieve with foil are the product of much practice. When, or if, I get around to choosing a finish I thought something like @Challenger350Pilot obtained on his Connie would suit me. A Camel calls Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted June 5, 2020 Author Share Posted June 5, 2020 6 hours ago, DMC said: choosing a finish I thought something like @Challenger350Pilot obtained on his Connie would suit me. I should think so ‼️😍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted June 5, 2020 Author Share Posted June 5, 2020 9 hours ago, DMC said: How do you polish them up? I've got several emery board and manicure type bendy sticks in various stages of dilapidation, and of course there's metal polish. The one to the left I can use for polishing transparencies at the final stage. They're well clogged with aluminium and that's the way I like them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Nice looking PV-1 with NMF. Seven year old thread, a disciple of yours? Re Challenge’s Connie: I could not come close to matching the finish . Just meant I’ thinking’s about Alclad. Cheers Denni 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Looking very impressive Rob, lovely artwork too. Fantastic work all round fella All the best Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted June 6, 2020 Author Share Posted June 6, 2020 Great link to aquatarkus build! Did you find his website?? Some lovely stuff on there..... http://www.adventurephotomodels.com I must say the PV1 looks pretty good like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 35 minutes ago, rob Lyttle said: Did you find his website? Yes, bottom of #1 in the BM thread. 39 minutes ago, rob Lyttle said: must say the PV1 looks pretty good like that Doesn’t it just. Me now having 2nd thoughts about having a go with foil on the (upcoming) Lodestar. Plenty of ‘how too’ advice, yours included, for reference. Possibility. Do you have a brand of foil you prefer. I was thinking about 3-M this morning. This Image should prove useful re the nacelles. Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted June 6, 2020 Author Share Posted June 6, 2020 The differences are starting to become evident. Look where the prop line is for a start 😶 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatarkus10 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Hi Robert, you are doing a great work with your Ventura and I know from experience that you are struggling a lot because it seems easy but it is not at all. Keep it up, I can't wait to see it finished. George 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marklo Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Love the Ventura’s. wrt my experience with foil I’ve gotten good results with baremetal Aluminium foil Chrome foil. i also have a large roll of Bostik self adhesive foil tape which I plan to use in my caproni Campini when I get back to it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted June 6, 2020 Author Share Posted June 6, 2020 6 hours ago, aquatarkus10 said: Hi Robert I'm delighted to meet you on here George, and thanks to DMC Dennis for making the link to your Ventura. And @Marklo, good job on those. I have a couple of rolls of foil. My favourite is so old that there is no sign of a logo or maker's identity left visible on the core tube. I also have a Bostik make at just 50mm wide which is "OK" but sometimes the glue forms "stretchy strings and baubles" which can be irritating. Any deformation of the glue layer will show through the finished surface in the end. Sorry I can't be more help in the choice of Ali tape. Just a matter of trial. The main joints on the kit are remarkably good. The wings and Tailplanes are just dry fitted here and the whole airframe is happy to stand. I fitted the final bomb bay door opened as cargo /luggage access ....... and that was far more difficult! The little arms and fittings supplied with the kit to mount all 4 articulated bay doors proved to be useless in my hands and the instructions only confused the bad situation. The difficulty is that all these surfaces are curved in all directions. So making a hinge - line gets difficult. The same applies to the uc doors - they are all curves as well, but the assembly is much less complicated. Doing it with 4 doors, balancing on several little sticks, must be pretty close to crazy! 🥴 So congratulations to George @aquatarkus10because it looks like you have achieved it perfectly with all four bay doors hinged open 🏆🏅✅👍 I gave up and cleaned an edge of the door back to bare plastic and made a well-glued joint straight to the fuselage. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatarkus10 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Hi Rob, you're doing very well. If you allow me I would like to give you a little trick for the four doors: 1- -fix the little arms to the walls of the compartment with a stong glue ( cyano or UV) 2- coat the four doors w/metal tape (your metal foil) 3- fix the doors in sequence to the arms! the sequence: Ventura is not an easy subject but you are doing very well believe me. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted June 6, 2020 Author Share Posted June 6, 2020 It still looks like a miracle to me ⚠️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 You are doing very well with this foiling business, Rob. What was the first kit you tried it on? Dennis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.adventurephotomodels.com%2F Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share Posted June 7, 2020 5 hours ago, DMC said: What was the first kit you tried it on? You've asked me something there! Genuinely NO idea 🤔 I've got an Me262 that's been with me for a long time..... It's really the only plane that genuinely warrants a Shark's Mouth nose art design! But I know I've done stuff that pre-dates that. Probably started out on the likes of NA F86 Sabres etc. Some...... several.....hit the bin of course! You'd do well to try out on a junk kit or two to see if it's workable for you, before you launch into a build that's of value to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share Posted June 7, 2020 The 2nd flap is under way It's just a strip of stock 1mm plastic along the front edge as a spacer and then a flat plate of the same on top which has been shaped and feathered along the back edge to fit the void in the flap. That extension piece that mirrors the wing top strip that I was going on about has been removed so it is parallel front and back. All it needs is a set of saw cuts that angle down into the 5 fairings, like the 1st one. What else.... I foiled between the Tailplanes and the fuselage tail end. It's still a push fit but it's a tidy joint. It looks okay.... I spent a bit of time on the passenger door and got it hung. I added a couple of handrails, in the doorway and on the door. Needs a tidy up on the top edge and the hinges. Not sure what to do about the props. I don't think modification of the blade shape is an option. For now, because my props are removable and changeable, I'm thinking I'll go with these two and if the opportunity arises to get some paddle bladed types at some point, I can just slot them in. All I've done so far is mount them on brass rod shafts that's the same diameter as the Ali tube I usually use. And I foiled the front "bit", prop pitch adjustment mechanism housing....? It MUST have a name.... 🤔 So this is a strip of foil wrapped around one time, and the key to success is having just the right amount protruding out the front. Just enough to make it over the curved front and barely make it to the mid-point on the dome shape. You get me?! Then with the prop mounted on it's shaft, it goes in the cordless drill and worked like on a lathe. The totally worn out abrasive manicure stick does its magic, first on the flat section and then gently out over the curve and ease the Ali tape over into the dome shape. If there is a bunch of surplus tape on the front it will make a right old mess and tangle. The secret is having only just enough. And I made a stick of milliput yesterday in a triangular section, and now I chopped 4 pieces for the wheel chocks. Coming on, here! There's not much left in the box 😎 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VT Red Sox Fan Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Rob, awesome NMF work--I this is phenomenal work with an elite outcome. Best, Erwin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 (edited) Hi Rob, Thought this might interest you. Blew up the Hudson plans (2 sheets) and compared them to the Ventura fuselage. A good match but the span (kit) too short. Hudson and Lodestar span the same @ 65’. Could be plan span is longer because it’s for an RC model. Not sure how accurate kit span is. I’ll check later. Kit span span is almost spot on.as is length Hudso length is 44’ plus Cheers Edited June 8, 2020 by DMC Additions 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 3 hours ago, DMC said: Blew up the Hudson plans I know that the L14 and Hudson is shorter fuselage length than the L18 Lodestar and Ventura Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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