Madbrood Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Hi folks, quick question - I know that training AIM-9's in US service are either all blue or have blue stripes, but does anyone know if that holds for RN service for both Sidewiders and AMRAAMs? -Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 (edited) Hi folks, quick question - I know that training AIM-9's in US service are either all blue or have blue stripes, but does anyone know if that holds for RN service for both Sidewiders and AMRAAMs? The situation isn't quite as simple as you would expect. An acquisition round has a blue body, live seeker head and no wings or fins. The body is basically a metal tube. An inert airframe has wings and fins but (usually) an inert seeker head. The warhead, SAD and rocket motor are also inert. This airframe is painted as a standard missile with the exception that the explosive warning bands on the warhead and motor will be replaced with blue bands. Edit: The above applies to Winders... Edited November 4, 2012 by Enzo Matrix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob P Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Have a look at the following. I found it whilst looking for similar references: http://www.fast-air.co.uk/raf-nato-weapons-markings/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 (edited) Have a look at the following. I found it whilst looking for similar references: http://www.fast-air....apons-markings/ Had a look at this not entirely accurate! the Blue 540<b bomb is Actually Saxe Blue not Oxford Blue. Oxford blue is much darker as seen on the ASRAAM later in the sequence. Oxford Blue weapons are Normally Not for flight and are marked as such in white lettering. the overall colour is not "insignificant" it is called its Role colour (Operational etc). A Training waepon can be overall Saxe Blue (its role) or in a operational colour with a blue band. (as the AGM 65) Note these markings are not exclusive to Fleet air arm but to National and NATO standards Selwyn. Edited November 5, 2012 by Selwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Not all drill rounds are painted the oxford blue, but these have the blue band in oxford blue with the word DRILL on them. Also this one the bomb is oxford blue, even theough the band is the saxe blue, but still has the word DRILL on it; This is the carried practice version; I have seen Paveway IV in all over grey with saxe blue bands, and some with a saxe blue bomb body with grey seakers and fins. Any idea what green bands mean? Julien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 (edited) the overall colour is not "insignificant" it is called its Role colour (Operational etc). A Training waepon can be overall Saxe Blue (its role) or in a operational colour with a blue band. (as the AGM 65) The use of 'non- significant/significant' is straight out of the relevant Defence Standard 00-810, and refers to the significance of the colour to the role of the equipment - so the fact that the overall colour of a bomb is Deep Bronze Green in non-significant in terms of it's role. e.g. 19 Marking by Colour Coding19.1 Significant colours. Significant colours are those used to indicate the primary role or roles of ammunition and the associated hazards. All references in this Standard to colours and tints are those as prescribed in BS 381c. Details of significant colours together with dimensions of bands and discs are contained in ANNEX D, together with UK National Coding and relevant NATO Publications. 19.2 With the exception of instructional ammunition, colour codes shall not be in the same form and significance as stated in ANNEX D for any other identification purpose. This applies also to non-explosive and associated inert parts of ammunition 19.3 The following colours when applied have no colour coding significance: a) grey, black, green or white on underwater ammunition; grey or white on guided missiles, dispensers and rockets; c) black or white used for lettering, numbering or special feature marking d) colours specifically applied to identify the colour produced by smoke ammunition or pyrotechnics; e) unpainted or natural colour ammunition. 19.4 Non-significant colours Except in the case of chemical ammunition, non-significant colours may be used as overall body colours to meet special requirements of the Service, such as: a) deep bronze green No 224, this is the preferred dark green colour; Infrared reflective (IRR) NATO Green No 285, complying with Def Stan 00-23. Only to be used when specified by the MOD Integrated Project Team Leader (IPTL); c) olive drab No 298, only to be used when specified by the MOD IPTL; d) light aircraft grey No 627; e) dark admiralty grey No 632. These used to be available on the MOD website, but they are behind a password these days. Fascinating series of documents Edited November 5, 2012 by Dave Fleming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I recognise those doors and windows! How sad am I ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Had a look at this not entirely accurate! the Blue 540<b bomb is Actually Saxe Blue not Oxford Blue. Oxford blue is much darker as seen on the ASRAAM later in the sequence. Oxford Blue weapons are Normally Not for flight and are marked as such in white lettering. Am I correct in thinking that Deep Saxe Blue (Practice) weapons CAN be (and are) dropped, just not as much as they used to be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Am I correct in thinking that Deep Saxe Blue (Practice) weapons CAN be (and are) dropped, just not as much as they used to be! Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I recognise those doors and windows! How sad am I ? Your starter for 10 is RAF...........? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Your starter for 10 is RAF...........? Is the serial on the weapon a clue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Your starter for 10 is RAF...........? Marham. TAS, to be exact. STCASMSU as was... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Marham. TAS, to be exact. STCASMSU as was... Sadly I remember these windows as well, but fortunately I was only visiting! Selwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Yep RAF Marham TAS, Had a tour round there, the bomb dump and one of the hangers. Guys in the TAS were pretty good, gave us a presentation and answered all of our questions they could on things that go bang. Even got a demo of the testing of LGB seeker heads. No grow bags anywhere! Julien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobski Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 I have seen Paveway IV in all over grey with saxe blue bands, and some with a saxe blue bomb body with grey seakers and fins. Any idea what green bands mean? Julien No idea about the green bands, but that isn't a Paveway IV, it's a GBU-49 (aka an Enhanced GBU-12). The difference is the lack of the hardback, which is present on the Paveway IV. Also, if you were to look at the other side of the weapon in your photo, the "trunking" goes the entire length of the bomb, whereas on the Paveway IV it is only found on the side of the guidance section at the front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 With the greem bands and labelling this looks like a training or trials round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madbrood Posted November 6, 2012 Author Share Posted November 6, 2012 I thought we established that blue was for training, and the orange/black mark was for an trials/evaluation weapon? So many colours! -Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete T Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Sweden is not a NATO country so does not follow the NATO colour coding, and uses green to denote its non operational weaponry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madbrood Posted November 6, 2012 Author Share Posted November 6, 2012 Of course, my mistake. Thanks -Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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