jenko Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Hi guys, I've started doing a Zimbabwe Hawk....... The colours quoted are:- Green ICI 407-1913 Brown ICI 407-1914 What are these colours in lay mans terms eg. FS, Humbrol, Tamiya, Xtra colour etc. I have look every where and cannot find an answer so any help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebbor Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) Using Model Alliance decals? Can't quite decode the online picture that states the colours but it looks like Hu149 and Hu186 are close to the stated colours. Edited January 31, 2021 by Nebbor pressed submit too early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenko Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share Posted February 1, 2021 8 hours ago, Nebbor said: Using Model Alliance decals? Can't quite decode the online picture that states the colours but it looks like Hu149 and Hu186 are close to the stated colours. Yes I am. Thanks for the info. Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blimpyboy Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 This site may have some recommendations about matching some ICI 407 colours: https://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-jets-120/10940420-need-help-british-paint-codes-ici-codes.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebbor Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, jenko said: Yes I am. Thanks for the info. Dick So why do you need the paint equivalents if they are shown in the Model Alliance instructions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenko Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Nebbor said: So why do you need the paint equivalents if they are shown in the Model Alliance instructions? Is that the 1/72 ?? I'm doing 1/48 and I have the book that goes with it and nothing mentions colours on the instruction sheet , the book only mentions ICI colours. I assumed (wrongly) that the 1/72 would be the same. I have never seen the info. you have posted before. Thanks that has been a REAL help. Dick Edited February 1, 2021 by jenko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebbor Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 No idea, photo from the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blimpyboy Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 25 minutes ago, Nebbor said: why do you need the paint equivalents if they are shown in the Model Alliance instructions? Nice one - right in front of us the whole time! 🙄 To be fair - and maybe to play Devil's advocate - the instructions do say "near to...". While I don't disagree that the approximation is very close, I have been in, on and around Zimbabwean Hawks and always thought the brown tone was redder than what I felt BS.381C-412 - Dark Brown - to be (to be honest, 'though, sun-affected and oil-stained paint plus bright tarmac conditions probably didn't help my perception). As for the green... These threads have an interesting take on ICI colours and their relationship to some BS.381C colours. They don't mention the Zimbabwean Hawk colours, but are nonetheless an interesting bit of research and observation. and 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebbor Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Matching colours is a nightmare, even for paint manufacturers. Just try 5 different brands for e.g. FS34079 and you get 5 different colours. Or even 1 colour from 1 manufacturer: I have 3 tins of Xtracolor X123 that all show a different result when sprayed. Go figure... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenko Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) Thanks guys. Really interesting. Now that does look mucky and worn. The Hunter next to it looks almost pristine. This is a bit like trying to sort out American FAA colours (Du Pont). Which causes many a "discussion" when displayed at a model show. ( Some of us on here are old enough to remember what they were ) Well; you've helped me get it sorted. I'll do the model as if it's a museum piece and then let every one argue the toss. Cheers and thanks once again Dick Edited February 1, 2021 by jenko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotthldr Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Having never seen a Zimbabwean Hawk, and solely going by photos on the ‘net that Green doesn’t look that far off Deep Bronze Green BS381c-224. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blimpyboy Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Issue 11 of The Aviation Historian has an interesting article - with nice piccies of Zimbabwean aircraft (including Hawks) - about Zimbabwe's involvement in the Congo. https://pocketmags.com/au/the-aviation-historian-magazine/issue-11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenko Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 Thanks 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthViper Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) On 31/01/2021 at 15:13, jenko said: Hi guys, I've started doing a Zimbabwe Hawk....... The colours quoted are:- Green ICI 407-1913 Brown ICI 407-1914 What are these colours in lay mans terms eg. FS, Humbrol, Tamiya, Xtra colour etc. I have look every where and cannot find an answer so any help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers Dick Hello I am doing the Cessna Reims 337 FTB, 70's Era, during the Independence war from England, when that Country was still the Southern Rhodesia. Those Reims 337 were militarized aircraft, light armed armed and with several modifications . Southern Rhodesia climatic conditions are severe, so camouflage paintings deteriorate rapidly as You can see by the Hawk pics. The Colors for that War Period in Southern Rhodesia were : - FS-10118, DARK EARTH, BS-381 C/450, Humbrol 142 , and - FS-14079, DARK GREEN, BS-381 C/641, Humbrol 116 . Sincerely I do doubt that those colors have changed over all these Years, due political and economical situations in that beautiful Country now called Zimbabwe. Mario Edited February 4, 2021 by SouthViper pic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glidingbob Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 I faced the same problem when building my ZIM hawk some years ago Lot of research about ICM codes , mails to them without answer and so on My interpretation was based on many pictures (not only the one found on internet) and the help of Mike the pilot of the plane I was building who stated the brown was slightly reddish and a SA friend who saw them The one in my model pic are probably a little bit to "luminous" due to the flash Anyway I'm happy with it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kari Lumppio Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Hello! Glidingbob, just saw your Hawk 610 and noticed it has the Zimbabwe bird on starboard side of fin and flag on the port side. Was (is) that true for all Zimbabwe AF Hawks during the 2nd Congo war? Cheers, Kari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenko Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 Thanks for the extra info guys. Much appreciated. Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blimpyboy Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) For some inspiration (if 'twere needed), here's a Hawk with a lotta hate to give. Edited February 11, 2021 by Blimpyboy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenko Posted February 12, 2021 Author Share Posted February 12, 2021 Wow...I bet take off was ...erm.... interesting with all that on the wings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glidingbob Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 (edited) @ all good freezing morning from Belgium, @Kari Fin markings; yes on Zim planes you have the bird at starboard and flag at port side I think all planes were like that as I never saw any picture of a ZIM plane otherwise @jenko and blimpyboy; the pics are from Mike Enslin , whose plane I modelled . he is the "white" pilot on pics Be careful : this armament with 4 twin store carriers and matra rocket pods was only for the pictuer; No Hawk flew with such a configuration with 4 pods on outer wing station ,as it would be to heavy The configuration on my model (2x twin store carriers +2x 2 matra pods and 2x Pili7 missiles on outer station) was usual as exlained in text and comments above Darth Vador insigna on 610 was personal marking of Mike on his assigned Hawk , but he was shot down on 604 The brown on my model is probably not 100% accurate but the best I could do 😉 Hope this is useful for your model Bob Edited February 12, 2021 by Glidingbob 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now