jaca44 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 I obviously posted this in the wrong place originally, so I hope this will get replies. QUOTE As a newb, I'm not quite sure where to post this. I've just got my first kit for about 60 years; a Special Hobby Junkers Ju88C-4 NJ made in the Czeck Replublic. The colors mentioned are either H** or C*** which seem to be Gunze colors, whatever they are. I think I worked out most as similar 'Mr. Hobby" Mr. Color numbers such that C61 = Mr. Hobby 61. However I am not entirely clear if I have ordered the correct kind of paint finish. Also, what kind of finish should be used for the exterior camo colors. I have seen reference to weathering as well which seems interesting. Also I need to know whether the pains should be thinned or not. Any help or directions to help would be appreciated. END I sort of gave up on getting a reply so I bought of Mr. Color paints whioch seemed to be the equivalent. Meanwhile, I cam across ion e-Bay A Revell Monogram Junkers JU88C-6 which was 'shelf worn' but I got anyway AFAIK these. are not made any more. Thinking in advance I am looking at the RLM colors mentioned there. I find color chrfts producing either no or different equivalents to what is listed. For Instance RLM71 dark green is klisted as Humbrol 5 admiralty grey and not listed at all on another chart. RLM 74 dark grey also no equivalent listed or as HUmbrol81 pale yellow! I get my paints on Amazon if possible as see Mr. Color, Tamiya and Vallejo being the main choices. It seems I need some good painting guides; any YouTube suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackG Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Seems you want colour reference charts, there are a few out there and people have their favourites. Try these to start: http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/colorcharts_2.asp http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/colorcharts.asp regards, Jacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seawinder Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 (edited) I'm thinking the camouflage colors would have been RLM 74/75 topsides over RLM 76. Those paints in the Mr. Color line (which FWIW I like very much; they're acrylic lacquers and cover well) are 36, 37 and 117 respectively. Yes, you'll need to thin them to airbrush. You can use lacquer thinner, but I prefer Mr. Color proprietary thinners for airbrushing, especially their Self Leveling Thinner, which contains a retardant. If you have other RLM numbers to ID, you might post them and one of us can match them with the Gunze paints. p.s. the Gunze H- line paints are aqueous acrylics and no longer available where I live. Edited March 27, 2018 by Seawinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimea River Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 (edited) Hmmmmm. 74/75/76 on a Ju88C-6? I would think it would be more likely to have been 70/71/65 for a day scheme or 75 over 76 for a night scheme. Jaca, can you give us details of what aircraft you want to model? With that we can give you paint suggestions. Andy Edited March 27, 2018 by Crimea River Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seawinder Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 11 hours ago, Crimea River said: Hmmmmm. 74/75/76 on a Ju88C-6? I would think it would be more likely to have been 70/71/65 for a day scheme or 75 over 76 for a night scheme. Jaca, can you give us details of what aircraft you want to model? With that we can give you paint suggestions. Andy Well, the OP said Ju 88 C-4 NJ, which makes it a night fighter, so whether or not 74 was present (It was in a good number of Bf 110G night fighters), 75/76 seems pretty likely. In any case, I agree -- it would be good for Jaca to post the RLM numbers he needs to use, as I said in my post above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seawinder Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 OK, I found an image of the Special Hobby instructions online. There are three options, two of them in overall black, the third in 74/75/76, that one being R4+MT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimea River Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Apologies. I though you meant the standard 74/75/76 fighter scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seawinder Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 20 minutes ago, Crimea River said: Apologies. I though you meant the standard 74/75/76 fighter scheme. No apology needed; but yes, I did mean the standard 74/75/76 scheme, which was used on night fighters at some point, I think just about into 1944. I'm not any kind of expert on Ju 88 NF schemes before the G-6, but the Special Hobby instructions (assuming they can be relied on) do show what looks like standard 74/75/76 for one of the options, as I noted above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jure Miljevic Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Hello Actually, that one non-black scheme may well be RLM 70/71/65. Photos in David Williams' book Nachtjäger (1) - Luftwaffe night fighter units 1939-1943, published by Classic, seem to support this assumption. To some degree OP's questions had already been answered in his original post in Aviation Chat section here. Cheers Jure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jure Miljevic Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Hello Here are the photos: http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Ju-88/NJG2/pages/BW-photo-Junkers-Ju-88C-9.NJG2-(R4+MT)-crash-landed-Belgium-1942-01.html http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Ju-88/NJG2/pages/BW-photo-Junkers-Ju-88C-9.NJG2-(R4+MT)-crash-landed-Belgium-1942-02.html http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Ju-88/NJG2/pages/BW-photo-Junkers-Ju-88C-9.NJG2-(R4+MT)-crash-landed-Belgium-1942-03.html http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Ju-88/NJG2/pages/BW-photo-Junkers-Ju-88C-9.NJG2-(R4+MT)-crash-landed-Belgium-1942-04.html To me it looks like early splinter camouflage. Cheers Jure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaca44 Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 Thanks so much guys. All looks very useful. So to explain, I just got hold of 2 1:48 models to start. I am interested in Bomber Command and LW Nachtjagd models in particular. 1. I picked up a 1:48 special Hobby Junkers Ju88C-4 which will be done as R4 MK w.nr. 0359 2/njg2 May 1941 Exterior colors suggested Black h12/c33 Yellow c113 Off White H21/c69 and Burnt Iron H76/C61 2. Off e-Bay I picked up a "shelf worn"Revell Monogram Junkers Ju88C-6 which I plan to do as a 4/NJG2 1942 pioloted by an ace Helmut Lent Recommended clrs Top: Gray RLM 02 Dark Gray RLM 74 Balck Green RLM 70 Bottom: Gray RLM 02 Black Green RLM 70 I hope that clarifies what I have! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seawinder Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 In case you haven't found them already: RLM 02: Mr. Color C-60 RLM 70: C-18 RLM 71: C-17 RLM 66 (common cockpit color): C-116 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve190 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 In the future a helpful chart for Paint Reference is the "Humbrol Enamel Cross Reference" at the link below, I have found this chart very helpful although it is 5 years old. Steve https://web.archive.org/web/20120319102516/http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/portland/971/reference/humbrol.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaca44 Posted March 30, 2018 Author Share Posted March 30, 2018 Well I have now numerous charts which either don't have the RLM number or contradict each other, Here's what I have so far. BTW, I am assuming a matte finish? I don't insist on Mr. Color if another brand seems to fit better. JU88C-6 Black Gray RLM 66 Mr. Color C-116 Black Green RLM 70* Mr. Color C-18 Dark Green RLM 71 Mr. Color C-17 Dark Gray RLM 74* ?H22 or H23 Flat Black RLM ? Flat White RLM ? Gray RLM 02* Mr. Color C-60 Gray RLM 76 Gunmetal RLM ? Light Blue RLM 65 Sand RLM 79 Silver RLM ? Steel RLM ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck1945 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Flat black is flat black, no worries about RLM # Same for flat white, gunmetal steel and silver. all exist in the Mr Color range as does 76, 65, 79 Metallic Silver C-08 Metallic Steel C-28 Flat Black C-33 Flat White C-62 RLM 65 C-115 RLM 76 C-117 RLM 79 C-119 I like Dark Iron for gunmetal MC-214 (Mr Color Metallic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seawinder Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 1. The Mr. Color acrylic lacquers and Mr. Hobby aqueous acrylics don't always have the same code numbers. I had already posted the Mr. Color codes for RLM 74/75/76 above, but I see Chuck1945 has filled in most of the gaps anyway. Mr. Color's RLM 79 sandgelb is C-119. 2. The Mr. Color paints are all (or nearly all?) semigloss out of the bottle. Not a problem -- makes it easier to get a good gloss surface for decaling, and you're going to have to apply some sort of clear flat coat at the end most likely anyway. 3. There are plenty of options besides Mr. Color for things like black, white, metallic silver (aluminum, probably), steel and gunmetal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPuente54 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) jaca, black was RLM 22(IIRC); white was RLM 21(this is certain). But, Chuck above(he posted his as I wrote mine) is correct about black and white. RLM 76 was called Lichtblau, or pale(very pale) blue. Gunmetal wasn't a color, per se, used by the Luftwaffe; but, after some of the threads here, who knows anymore? Any generic gunmetal should do, however. There was a silver paint used by the Luftwaffe, though. I want to say that it is RLM 01. HTH Joe Forgot to mention that my understanding is that the paint used on LW aircraft were semi-gloss/semi-matt/satin when new on the bird. It did not take long for them to assume a matt finish due to the weather, etc.. Seawinder's note above is a good point, and tip. Edited March 30, 2018 by JPuente54 add info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaca44 Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 Sorry guys, I got distracted a bit but thanks for all that. I've now got most of the paints with a few still to come. Then I can get down to it. Tanks again for the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaca44 Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 What varnish is recommended for acrylic paints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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