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Crimea River

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  1. All is looking good despite the trials.
  2. Nice work so far Peter. I have two of the original Hasegawa kits in my stash screaming at me.
  3. Thanks Jari. Great references. My Wellington build has been on hold for a while as I'm away from home dealing with some family issues but I hope to get back to it soon.
  4. I believe that a single topside colour would be possible. Unfortunately I'm unable to consult my Ullmann reference right now but I seem to recall him saying that that some Ar196s had either the 72 or 73 as a single topside colour with no splinter scheme. Perhaps someone else can verify. Andy
  5. I've always found this photo interesting. The port side of the second wing from the bottom hits the light in a way that resembles, to me, the pattern that might be expected if a free-hand spray outline of the green pattern was done followed by a more regular back and forth in-fill spray. My interpretation only.
  6. I kept an article from Classic Wings (Issue 80) from a few years back that described the painting process on this particular restoration. They did not get into RLM colour selections but rather matched the paints to actual remnants on the aircraft. The article states "Using skin pieces from the actual wreck as a guide, a dark green, bright olive, and mid-range brown were mixed to the shades observed on the downed aircraft." The article touches on evidence that the paint was applied over the factory 74/75/76 finish and also notes how some areas such as the w/n were masked whereas some areas (swastika) were free-hand sprayed around leaving the 76 background visible. Ullmann here suggests that custom paint mixes were created at the unit level using available stocks of camouflage and marking paints. The mid brown, he says, could be RLM 23 mixed with 25 Green. Using this theory, I could image the bright olive to be 71 mixed with 04 and the dark green straight 70 or 71. Ullmann says there would be no way to determine what the exact colours would have been so perhaps the best that you can do in this situation is to believe that the restorers indeed tried their best to match existing colours, weathered and aged as they may have been.
  7. Copies available on amazon https://www.amazon.ca/British-Aviation-Colours-World-War/dp/0853682712
  8. Agree with Giorgio. You had the right idea trying to polish the damage out with toothpaste but it's too fine an abrasive and should be reserved for near the end. Good luck.
  9. Continuing in the beam gun positions, both sides have now been completed. I had ongoing discussions regarding the details provided on the gun mounts and was able to conclude with the help of a colleague that the two "boxes" that I had painted black and grey above are actually meant to depict a hooded gun sight mounted horizontally. See discussion here: https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235049145-wellington-iii-waist-guns/&tab=comments#comment-3251765 With that resolved I modified the kit part by first cutting off the box that I previously painted grey and and reattaching it to the other part of the sight with a bit of round rod. I then painted the whole thing black and repeated this for the other side. Of course all this was complicated by the fact that I installed the glass panels which prevented me from accessing the visible sides with a paint brush. I also painted the handles a light grey, though the tonal difference in the pics below is hard to discern. Next came the guns. Knowing that these would almost certainly be broken off, I cut the barrels off, drilled holes in the barrel and breech, glued a copper wire pin into the barrel and set these aside for installation near the end of the build. I then painted the brackets for the gun grey/green and the rest Alclad steel. A bit of a spacer was added on top of the breech to fill the gap with the mount and then, after aligning with the barrels through the glazing, a drop of CA secured the guns in place. I then added ammo belts from some PE spares and made the spent cartridge bags using strips of paper glued together with white glue. The below pics show how all this turned out. With that done. I temporarily brought the two fuselage halves together and checked on the visibility to the interior. The verdict - like looking into a sewer pipe with welding goggles on. The good news is that this means I can stop adding crap to this area as it will be a waste of time. I had planned to make and install the gunner's seat and some more wooden treads on the floor but won't bother now. I'll concentrate on finishing the nose section and then, after seeing if I can find a way to add the turrets near the end of the build, I'll finally try to get the fuselage halves together. One other small thing that I did was to add the Eduard bomb bay bulkhead detail, the bomb bay detail set having finally arrived. This entailed making the windows larger and pinching some clear acetate behind the part seen below. One thing that was not provided in the PE set was the diagonal braces which reference pics show as crossing the windows so I cut some lengths of solder and glued these on so they would be visible through the bomb bay. I didn't bother making it tidy on the interior as it will all be invisible. I'll now refocus my attention to completing things in the nose in hopes of getting the fuselage together soon. Thanks again for following and for the comments and reactions. Andy
  10. Yep, thanks for that. Came across those as well during my extensive searches. I have one more possibility to check and that is a Frazer-Nash parts manual that I have access to at a local museum. It may or may not address the FN-56 but if I find any more I will post here.
  11. A small update for those interested. Continued discussion on this elsewhere has led me to conclude that the two mystery boxes moulded into the mount are supposed to represent a hooded gun sight mounted on its side. Here are pics of the sight in question: Looking closely at the period pic in post #1 again, you can see that the knob and power connection in that photo coincide with those on the above sight. It appears that Trumpeter have modeled this sight without the connection between the light box and reflector hood.
  12. Steve, et al., the colours for the Hurricane being restored b the Calgary Mosquito Aircraft Society were researched with the best info available to us. The drawing that Steve refers to (and which I won't post here) was not mean to convey actual colour but served more as a shop drawing to locate and define colour demarcations and other markings. The actual colours that we are using have been custom mixed and are the culmination of efforts and contributions from many people. General agreement exists among subject matter experts that the Hurricane Mk XIIs produced by CCF and typically used by the Western Air Command in 1942 and 1943 carried the Canadian equivalent of the Royal Air Force (RAF) Temperate Land Scheme camouflage of Dark Green and Dark Earth upper surfaces and Sky undersides. Ian Huntley, in an article titled "RCAF Colours 1939-1945" that appeared in the November 1984 issue of Scale Aircraft Modelling magazine, stated that “Like other Dominion and Commonwealth countries, Canada used the basis of the British Air Ministry and associates technical standards departments as a starting point for the RCAF” and that “Canadian Car and Foundry produced Hawker Hurricanes in …home produced paint, these making an interesting comparison with the 25 British-built and painted machines imported by Canada in 1937.” The fact that the Dark Green and Dark Earth equivalent colours were used on our Hurricane was further substantiated by the existence of faded remnants of the original paint on the upper surfaces of the port wing when we received the aircraft. Whereas this evidence supports the use of these colours for the upper surfaces, determination of the exact shades of these colours at the time of application was more problematic for a number of reasons: · The original paint remnants on the wing were over 75 years old and had been subject to weather, dirt, wear, and the normal deterioration of paint finishes that occur over time · Colour chips used by the CCF to specify the paint colours no longer exist or are unavailable. · The specific supplier of the paint used on this aircraft is unknown and could be one of several. Original paint formulations for the CCF orders are unknown for any of these manufacturers More relevant to the question here, Huntley also noted that the CCF used North American paint suppliers and did its best to replicate the RAF equivalent Ministry of Air Production (MAP) colours being prepared for use by aircraft factories in the UK. In a report prepared by Air Ministry Production Controllers after an inspection it was noted that “…..examination of a pack of sprayed out colours revealed many slight variations when compared with the sprayed MAP colour cards. The general observations were that Canadian Dark Earth was perhaps a fraction more red-brown; Dark Green a little more of a blue-green while the RCAF-titled ‘Duck egg bluish-green Sky’ a shade more on the blue side than its MAP counterpart….” With no definitive paint samples from which the CMAS could produce modern equivalents of the actual colours used, the only alternative left to us was to prepare our own colours based on: the paint remnants we had, generally-accepted RAF colours recognized in the war bird restoration industry and by reputable aircraft modellers period photos and videos our own observations of locally-displayed restored aircraft of the same era, and the subjective observations noted by Huntley above. Unfortunately, a spectral analysis of the paint remnants was not undertaken before the paint was removed by our restoration contractor. However, a photo colour wheel was placed on the sample area for our records. Though this comparison did not define the colours to be specified, it was nonetheless useful in assessing the colour groups for the brown and green and in comparing these on the same colour wheel with actual samples that came to hand as we developed our specification. In the end, we prepared a specification that combined all of the observations noted above.
  13. That's MISTER sod to you Chris!
  14. Thanks guys. I've been a bit spotty with updates so appreciate you stopping by for a peek. A couple more items from the "do-before-gluing-the-fuselage-together punch list" have been now done. One of these was to add some flares to the rack. After looking up the cross section of the ones provided in the kit in my British ordnance reference, I determined that these most closely resembled 4.5" reconnaissance flares which were black with a thin red band near the tip. In the below pic, the mounting holes to the right of the flares had some pressure bottles glued in earlier but the forward one interfered with the wing spar that I built and so I took them out. With the spar there, these won't be seen anyway so I won't replace them. I also didn't spend any time on the oxygen bottles other than roughly spraying some steel coloured paint on them as these won't be seen either. The flares will be just barely visible through the front glass. Looking at a period photo of the waist gun arrangement that I posted here I decided to make some ammo boxes for these as they weren't provided in the kit. Using the photo, I scaled the boxes relative to the width of the fuselage and translated that ratio to the model proportions to lay out and cut the pieces as seen here: From here I assembled the sides, added some stiffeners and glued on some bits to represent the ammo box mounting bracket. It looks a bit rough here but I'm not too fussed as these boxes will be only barely seen through the side windows. And finally, here is a shot of the port side box painted and glued in place. I have not found any more info on the gun mount and have now assumed that one of the boxes is a gun sight. I painted this one black and will add a clear reflector glass. The other mystery box was painted grey - just cuz! Thanks again for looking in and for the likes and comments.
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