1/72 Potez XXV from Azur-Frrom

Homebee · May 12, 2023

Released - ref. SH72420 - Potez 25A2 - Jupiter Engine

Source: https://www.specialhobby.eu/potez-25a2-jupiter-version

V.P.

JWM · May 13, 2023

After that Jupiter variant there is still hope for another radial engine variant of XXV - the one with Salmson engine (a water cooled radial!).

https://www.flickr.com/photos/varese2002/24823873146

Used in Spanish Civil War

http://www.aviationcorner.net/public/photos/2/1/avc_00434921.jpg

https://www.valka.cz/html_images/0/2016/05/03/a3bd8a623f8c40393a12d9afbe622a7ec9f2cab7.png

Regards

J-W

Homebee · December 13, 2023

New boxings

- ref. FR0053 - Potez 25 Renault 12KD

Schemes under consideration

n°2285, codé 44 noir sur queur blanche, Ecole de l'Air, 1937
n°2299, codé 10 blanc, 1 ère Escadrille, 1er Groupe de l'Ecole d'Observation 151, Villacoublay, 20 avril 1940
n°851, codé 9 blanc, Section d'Entraînement du Bourget-Dugny

Source: https://www.frrom.com/index.php?page=frrom_fr0053

- ref FR0054 - Potez 25 Salmson 18 CMb

Schemes under consideration

n°211 codé 5, 2 éme escadrille du GB I/38 à Thionville Basse-Yutz, mars 1933 (LELA profil page 242 et photo page 42 (insigne "Tête de Gaulois", version 2)
n°207, 2 éme escadrille du GB I/38, Mourmelon, juin 29.
n°2042 codé 3, 1 ère escadrille du GO I/33 (avant mai 1933), insigne de la Cocotte 'rouge'

Source: https://www.frrom.com/index.php?page=frrom_fr0054

V.P.

Edited December 14, 2023 by Homebee

JWM · December 13, 2023

Great! I will go with Salmson engine one in Spanish Republican colors (not included?)

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and Renault from France 1940 out of the box.

KRK4m · December 13, 2023

9 hours ago, Homebee said:

New boxings

- ref. FR0053 - Potez 25 Renault 12KD

Schemes under consideration

- n°2285, codé 44 noir sur queur blanche, Ecole de l'Air, 1937

- n°2299, codé 10 blanc, 1 ère Escadrille, 1er Groupe de l'Ecole d'Observation 151, Villacoublay, 20 avril 1940

- n°851, codé 9 blanc, Section d'Entraînement du Bourget-Dugny

http://www.frrom.com/index.php?page=frrom_fr0054

- ref FR0054 - Potez 25 Salmson 18 CMb

Schemes under consideration

-:n°211 codé 5, 2 éme escadrille du GB I/38 à Thionville Basse-Yutz, mars 1933 (LELA profil page 242 et photo page 42 (insigne "Tête de Gaulois", version 2)

- n°207, 2 éme escadrille du GB I/38, Mourmelon, juin 29.

- n°2042 codé 3, 1 ère escadrille du GO I/33 (avant mai 1933), insigne de la Cocotte 'rouge)

http://www.frrom.com/index.php?page=frrom_fr0055

V.P.

BTW, @Homebee, the pictures and description should be reversed - the upper ones show the Salmson variant and the lower ones are for the Renault engine.

Cheers

Michael

Edited December 14, 2023 by KRK4m

MarkoZG · December 15, 2023

It is great they decided to continue with Potez 25 versions. I hope they will not stop after these two.

Gilles_53 · March 8

Schemes for the Renault engine :

Schemes for FR0054 Potez 25 Salmson 18 CMb will come soon (no Spanish Republican marking)

And a new boxing - FR0058 Potez 25 Farman 12 We. Only a few number in service (74 built, probably) This one will be sold only in events or directly on site, resin engine + kit FR0038 Potez 25 Hispano, no decal (for the moment). We are working on some quite spectacular schemes

Who could resist such a beauty ? But for sure Britain did better with the Blackburn Blackburn (not in project ...)

KRK4m · March 8

It's a pity you don't have the documentation that would allow you to release an equally comprehensive collection of Breguet 19s... 😢

Cheers

Michael

JWM · March 9

Gilles,

Congrats for the new items! I am just curious if the Potezez XXV with Renault or Farman engines were still in any use (training for instance) in 1940 in France. There is a photo

Having you experience with Potez, what engine is it? Serial is given (1693) but also the shape of engine is well visible.

Regards

J-W

Gilles_53 · March 9

Few informations on the Potez 25 with Farman engine (a very nice scheme nonetheless with a GAO 503 aircraft), only 74 built according to the LELA book. No service outside France.

For the Renault : definitively yes, some (a lot !) were still in use in 1940, many photos show German soldiers with a Potez 25 (usually Renault). A least one was used in Dakar.

There were two types of Renault engine, the "long" one (12 Kg,, 550 ch), 261 built and the short one (12 Jb, 480 ch), 307 built. It will probably be possible to go from a 12 Kg to a 12 Jb by removing some plastic (usually easier than adding material), that's why we went for the 12 Kb. No sales outside France, save Brazil with 6 aircraft, short Renault engine (and a fin and rudder similar to the squared ones used on the Salmson). Some Potez 25s were still in use in Observation squadrons in 1940, including many Renault. This is good, because they kept their ring .

For the aircraft shown above :

- nr 1693 matricule V744 is a Renault 12 Jc (short engine)

- nr 1852 matricule V967 is supposed to have a Salmson 18 CMb. It definively looks like a radial engine, and a bulky one, so that should be it. But you might have some problems if you want to model it (squadron badge ? Tactical number ?). Unless you choose to do it after the accident ....

There were other Potez 25s used by the Poles in France, Page 56 - probably Lorraine TOE), page 59 top, page 59 bottom (Renault 12 Kg), and the list of identified aircraft flown by Polish airmen is in page 361/362 for the Potez 25. Farmans : 1940 to 1993 and 2332 to 2351, so two matches in the first Farman list (1940 and 1973) and one for the second (2342). Now, we just have to find some photos ... if possible from 1940 ...

JWM · March 10

On 3/9/2024 at 6:21 PM, Gilles_53 said:

Now, we just have to find some photos ... if possible from 1940 ...

I have a AVions Hors Series No 24 (likely you have it also I think). This contains photos made after campaign 1940 of mostly crashed or demolished planes. On page 59 there is a photo of high tail Potez XXV Ni 169 (K055) taken at Orly in 1940, another on p. 86 )TT machine but I think with Hispano), also on p. 85,on p. 55 there is one with Salmson 18 (no any number given),

regards

J-2

Botan · March 11

Is there a possibility some of those Potez 25s used by Poles served in North African schools? There is a new book "Pod niebem Maghrebu. Lotnicy polscy we francuskiej Afryce Północnej 1940" (Under the sky of the Maghreb. Polish pilots in French North Africa 1940) from 2023.

Edited March 11 by Botan

Gilles_53 · March 11

23 hours ago, JWM said:

I have a AVions Hors Series No 24 (likely you have it also I think). This contains photos made after campaign 1940 of mostly crashed or demolished planes. On page 59 there is a photo of high tail Potez XXV Ni 169 (K055) taken at Orly in 1940, another on p. 86 )TT machine but I think with Hispano), also on p. 85,on p. 55 there is one with Salmson 18 (no any number given),

I have plenty of photos, but finding one of an aircraft flown by Poles is another matter (specially for the Farman engine !) - we have to get a good photo of the fuselage, giving the serial number (which gives the Matricule under the wings), with tactical code if any, and squadron badge if any. Usually there was no camouflage, so the wings (and aircraft) were plain green, with sometime Metal engine. K055 is a Renault 12 Kg nr 1863, K505 is Nr 262, nr 162 should be K41é, but this is definitively K055 and definitively a Renault. Don't see any tactical number on fin (but there might be), nor squadron badge, but the serial might be on fuselage. V7x9 might be V789 / V799 (Re 12 Kg) V709, 719, etc up to V779 which were all Renault 12 Jc (short). The photo is quite dark, but I would rather bet on a long engine, so V789 or V799. No Hispanos in use in French army, only went to export (Greece and Abyssinia). We cannot do much with the Salmson page 55.

1 hour ago, Botan said:

Is there a possibility some of those Potez 25s used by Poles served in North African schools? There is a new book "Pod niebem Maghrebu. Lotnicy polscy we francuskiej Afryce Północnej 1940" (Under the sky of the Maghreb. Polish pilots in French North Africa 1940) from 2023.

Yes there were many Potez 25 in service in North Africa, used by the Poles. The list of aircraft is given in the book "Les Aviateurs Polonais en France en 1940", Annexe 6, pages 354 to 363. More specifically, Potez 25 in North Africa : 1018 (Rabat - TOE), 1515 (Blida - TOE), 1597 (Casablanca - TOE), 2122 (Blida - TOE), 2352 (Rabat - TOE - was supposed to have been transferred to the Navy). Well, if there are good photos, you might build a kit (Special Hobby, Potez 25 TOE) but hurry, there are not much left

We might release later a small decal sheet for the Potez 25 used in 1939/40 by the Poles in France. One is quite interesting with a Potez 25 Salmson, the pilot flow quite low to impress his girl friend, and "landed" on the roof of a warehouse (13 th of May, 1940) . We are able to very well see the rudder, with the technical informations ... that may be a start.

Gilles_53 · March 19

Now the schemes for kit FR0054 Potez 25 Salmson 18 CMb.

Nr 211, matricule K454, 12 ème esc, 38 ème RAM, Thionville-Basse-Yutz, 14 th of March, 1933. 2 nd version of the insigna

Nr 207, matricule K450, 12 ème esc., 38 ème RAM, Mourmelon, June 1939 (first version of the insigna, a Gaul's head)

Nr 2042, matricule K168, 1 ère esc., GO I/33 (after 1931)

We might have this kit (as well as the Potez 25 Renault) at end of April 2024, hopefully for the Neufgrange event (27 th and 28 th of April)

Homebee · March 31

Sources:

https://www.specialhobby.net/2024/03/chystame-pro-azurfrrom-na-jaro-2024-i.html

https://www.specialhobby.net/2024/03/chystame-pro-azurfrrom-na-jaro-2024-ii.html

- ref. FR0053 - Potez 25 Renault 12Kg - https://frrom.com/index.php?page=frrom_fr0053

Schemes:

Nr 1381, Cercle Aérien Régional de Clermont-Ferrand, from October 1933 to December 1936
Nr 2285, coded 44 black on white tail, probably Versailles, 6 ème Escadrille, École de l'Air, 1937
Nr 851, White 8, Training Unit, Bourget-Dugny

- ref. FR0054 - Potez 25 Salmson 18 CMb - https://frrom.com/index.php?page=frrom_fr0054

Schemes considered (may change!):

Nr 207, 2 ème escadrille, GB I/38, Mourmelon, June 1929 (badge "Gaul's Head", first iteration)
Nr 211 coded 5, 2 ème escadrille, GB I/38, Thionville Basse-Yutz, March 1933 (badge "Gaul's Head", second iteration)
Nr 2042 coded 3, 1 ère escadrille, GO I/33, Nancy, October 1932 to March 1937

N.B : red number 207 on fuselage is known by a photo, but 211 and 2042 are only possible (according to rules). By mistake, Nr 201 Red was designed in decal sheet in place of 211.