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  1. I know, there were patrol Hudsons and anti-shipping Beaufighters painted like that in Africa and the Mediterranean. But my display case of machines from Africa and the Middle East is already bursting at the seams, and I still do not have any "coastal' machine with Azure Blue undersides, which, after all, since 1941 was recommended by the HQ for all "warm" locations, and therefore also Ceylon, Burma and India. Perhaps Beaufighter should be in the VIC version, because most of the TFX has already flown in the Indian Ocean area in the TLS scheme with the SGM undersides. And from Europe they came in TSS with the Sky undersurfaces. However, when it comes to Hudson, it can ultimately be transport (they mostly flew in such colours) - as long as it retains the dorsal turret. Although apparently patrol bombers from No.353 squadron also had blue undersides. Does anyone have any photos, profiles, links? Cheers Michael
  2. Paul - 30 years ago I was rebuilding the Tiger Moth in the Polish Aviation Museum in Krakow and I remember that although the wings and tail were wooden (glued), the fuselage was certainly an all-metal truss - of course the whole plane was fabric covered. Thus, it did not differ much technologically from the Bristol Fighter or DH.9A, which for several years served in RAF units in Africa and the Middle East. The completely wooden (glued plywood) structure was another primary trainer, Miles Magister. And even this one was used in North Africa during the war by the RAF (e.g. P2378 in Libya according to the RS #92120 kit and R1883 in Egypt according to RS #92167), and after the war by the Egyptian Air Force. Also in the chronicle of the 112 Sq. there is a 1941 photo of Tiger Moth with the number 43 on the engine cowl and a fin flash on the rudder (like on the Hurricanes in France). http://raf-112-squadron.org/raf_112_squadron_photos_1941.html Cheers Michael
  3. The TSS over Yellow Oxford HN767 http://www.wings-aviation.ch/51-Profiles/A/A-Basis-en.htm was discussed there However, as I see it, the RN Tiger Moth is a completely different fairy tale and the chances of finding an example in TSS over Yellow are close to zero. That's why I'm changing the thread title and expanding my question with an alternative: Tiger Moth (not necessarily a trainer, probably a squadron hack) in desert Dark Earth/Middle Stone camouflage. There are such Oxfords, Ansons, Harvards and Magisters - both with Yellow undersides and with Azure Blue ones. Apart from one skin from the IL-2 game and a photo from 112 Squadron galllery, are there any traces of the "desert" Tiger Moth somewhere? Cheers Michael
  4. I see that I should be more precise in asking questions - English is not my native tongue and I still have a lot of catching up to do here. So the main issue is that I would like to paint the next Tiger Moth in my collection in a scheme other than Dark Green/Dark Earth/Yellow or silver overall. TSS over Yellow seems to be a natural option, because some 2nd line Royal Navy machines (Reliant, Oxford) were seen in such colours. But Google offers me only these two "grey schemes", which at a distance shout "my name is bogus". I can only hope that the T8191 from Yeovilton is trying to pretend to be such a variant of painting, and Dark Green was used on it only due to the lack of availability (?) of the Dark Slate Grey paint. In turn, T7187 in the photos looks like NFS (Sea Grey Medium with dark pattern above), in which Dark Green was replaced by some dark grey - probably Dark Sea Grey. And the fact that AZ described them as Sky Blue and Ocean Grey is another matter entirely. Cheers Michael
  5. It is widely believed that nearly 100% of the Royal Navy Tiger Moths retained the standard RAF camouflage, or TLS (Dark Earth/Dark Green), with the lower wing upper surfaces being painted in Light Earth and Light Green up to 1941. From time to time, however, some "defiant" photos and profiles of Tiger Moths appear in the TSS (EDSG/Dark Slate Grey) scheme. One of them is T7187 (option in the 1/72 AZ7471 kit, also seen on floats), another is T8191 from the Yeovilton collection (ex G-BWMK). Do any of them have anything to do with the historical truth of 1935-45 period, or is it a total bogus scheme? Cheers Michael
  6. In my opinion, Seafire is also a Spitfire, so I'll try it here. Wojtek Matusiak, considered (probably not only in Poland) to be an expert on Spitfires, in his book on Spitfire (Monografie #40 by AJ Press) included a profile of a Seafire Mk.3 PR240 from No. 880 Sq.FAA, operating from HMS Implacable deck in the area of Truk Island in June 1945. The description states that in order to avoid confusion with the (green topsides) Japanese fighters, all Implacable aircraft had a greenish Dark Slate Grey colour replaced by a blueish Dark Sea Grey, which coloured the British machines closer to the US ones. Naturally, in addition to Seafires, this would also apply to Fireflies, Barracudas and Avengers. Can anyone confirm this or explicitly deny this version? Were there still supplies of Dark Sea Grey paint on board the BPF aircraft carriers in 1945? Cheers Michael
  7. Thanks, Jerry - I also saw a photo of a wreck in some desert environment, but mine came from SAAF - not Luftwaffe Thank you Bill - no errors so far In Portugal (and Ireland) they were in TLS, in SAAF overall yellow, in Turkey (a blurry photo) - perhaps NMF. I have never seen a picture of the Egyptian one. Thank you, Geoffrey - export to Turkey 25 in 1944 and 25 in 1945 makes fifty. On the Turkish site they claim that only 8 in 1943 (sic!) and 12 in 1945 (plus 7 Martinet TTs). This leaves 30 for Egypt, where 26 serial nos have been confirmed. Thus 4 a/c have to be either lost or left in RAF ME depots. Moreover Egypt claims that all 26 were accepted in 1945, so 13 of them remained somewhere in RAF ME depots for at least a year. So there is still a chance for the desert camo RAF Master - I hope time will show one Cheers Michael
  8. My brother @JWM yesterday found this colorful profile that I had seen somewhere. He took a photo and sent me an MMS - a Wimpey Mk.Ic with a red code letter Z and an illegible serial is published in the AJ Press book "Africa 1940-42" by Krzysztof Janewicz. Of course, the author knows Troy Smith's principle "never believe a profile without a photo" and attached a photo next to it captioned "Wellington from one of the 4 squadrons supporting Operation Crusader in December 1941". But after all, in 1941, the Desert Scheme could be combined with light undersurfaces only in fighters, day bombers and transports - night bombers were to have a Night bottom. And Wellington has not been a day bomber since 1940. So today I started digging into the IWM photo archive. And bingo! I found the same photo (IWM CM 2940). But in the IWM the caption says "Wellington Ic serial Z9027 coded Z from the ASR flight before take-off from Bir El Beheira". Now I understand the light undersurfaces (probably Sky) with a low demarcation line and the lack of guns in the nose turret. A new rule appears to me: "never believe a caption to the photo until you find the original". But the question remains: how were the uppersurfaces of ASR aircraft painted in Egypt in 1941? Desert, Temperate Sea, or maybe Tropical Sea? In the well-known photo of Fairchild 91 flying in close formation with the Wellington coded X from the ASR flight at El Qassasin (IWM ME/RAF/5889), the two uppersurface colours are relatively bright and strongly contrasted - they absolutely do not look like a DSG/EDSG set. Cheers Michael
  9. Quite a lot of RAF training aircraft flew in the MTO area, some of them as squadron hacks and liaison machines in combat units. I've seen a desert scheme (DE/MS) on a Miles Magister, a Tiger Moth, an Airspeed Oxford and a NA Harvard. But I've never encountered such colours on the RAF most important single-engine advanced trainer, which (IMHO) was the Miles M.19/27 Master. Couldn't the entire 3,250 pieces stick their nose out of Britain? And the examples delivered to the Egyptian Air Force (DL251, 252, 271, 275, 276, 278, 279, 280) or Turkey? Haven't they flown anywhere in the Middle East before? Cheers Michael
  10. Back to the PG951 Oxford T1 after six years Was it an RAF trainer (Yellow undersides) or a communications aircraft (Sky or Azure undersurfaces) before the 1945 transfer to the Egyptian AF? Or have other Oxfords wearing RAF Desert (DE/MS) camo been discovered in the meantime? I found a picture of Oxford in a desert camouflage awaiting repair or overhaul at the Maintenance Unit Brindisi in 1944 (IWM CNA 3285), but the Spitfires and Hurricanes crammed around obscure the serial number and a possible letter or number next to the fuselage roundel. Anyway the undersurfaces of this particular machine are either Yellow or Sky - Azure Blue should look darker. Cheers Michael
  11. Not exactly the same, but a very silmilar one... Jeremy has got the W9219 and you linked W9220 Nevertheless the question remains the same Cheers Michael
  12. Sorry, Chris - the reason is the dot ending the quote. Remove it and all works fine (I've already corrected it above) Cheers Michael
  13. Last week my grandson got a Corgi Sea Hurricane W9219 diecast model for his birthday, described as a machine from 880 NAS in Scotland in 1941 https://www.flyingmule.com/products/OD-AC059 The colours resemble EDSG and DSG uppersurfaces and something like Sky Grey undersurfaces and sides (the demarcation line is high and the vertical tail and spinner are Sky Grey). I know it's not a model for a contest or a museum, but a similar Sea Hurricane is depicted in the PrintScale 72-383 decal set as the P3114 from the 800 NAS Gosport in February 1940. This one, however, has a vertical tail in camouflage and a black spinner. Who is right: Corgi, PrintScale or both? Cheers Michael
  14. If I had under the avatar written: Interest - Phantoms, I would probably build a dozen . But I'm not that specialized. For me, a dozen American jet fighters are: F-80, F-84, F-86, F-9, F-100, F-104, F-4, F-5, F-15, F-16, F/A-18 and A-4. And I still feel the lack of F-89, F-102, F-8, A-7 and many more ... Cheers Michael
  15. Thank you, Chuck Try this http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/picture.php?/MEC2658/category/album-458-wellington Cheers Michael
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