Help: Revell 1/72 Hurricane II wing chord fix

[mike romeo]

Hi,

I am currently away from home for a week, without access to my usual sources of information, but with a Revell 1/72 Hurricane IIc on which to spend some quality modelling time.

I remember that Tony O'Toole built this model (among others) as part of an article that appeared in SAM Vol. 27, Issue 11. As part of this build, Tony reduced the wing chord by an amount. As I don't have access to this edition of SAM at the moment, I was wondering if anyone could remind me how much Tony removed from the wing trailing edge? I have a recollection that more was taken at the root than at the tip, but I may be mistaken.

Can anyone help with this?

Many thanks in advance.

regards,

Martin

[Obi-Jiff Kenobi]

Sorry Martin, just been looking at the copy that Walrus forwarded to me, and it seems Tony used the Academy wings to make a template, and he doesn't list any measurements.

Obi-Jiff

[AnonymousFO98]

Obi is correct Martin.

You have it right, the root is the problem. Don't take any more off the tip as it is too short in span as it is according my sources

I will ask permission to post some pics to show if that will help.

[mike romeo]

Sorry Martin, just been looking at the copy that Walrus forwarded to me, and it seems Tony used the Academy wings to make a template, and he doesn't list any measurements.

Obi-Jiff

Obi-Jiff

Many thanks for your response. I don't want to put you to any untoward trouble, but if there was any way to scan the picture in question showing the amount of

Revell wing that Tony planned to remove in black highlighter, I would take my chances on measurements using the TLAR principle!

If not, no problem. Thanks again.

regards,

Martin

[AnonymousFO98]

Hi Martin

have asked for permission to post a pic of the wing over a plan.

The problem with it is that because the cord is greater on the kit it obscures the plan line.

You may just be able to get away with it by guessworrk.

TBH if it is just a quick project while you are away it may be as well to leave it as the amount is not great.

[Test Graham]

Compared to the Hasegawa wing, the Revell is about right at the tip and 1mm too broad at the join to the centre-section. It only slighty converges until most of the way along the aileron, whereupon it makes a dash for the wingtip.

The two kits appear to be very close on span. (He said, trying to juggle three loose pieces together.)

[AnonymousFO98]

Ditto the Academy wing Graham, which matches the Hase exactly

IIRC all three match on span.

FWIW my sources are the SAM MDF and forthcoming pics based comparing the Revell kit to the plans in the Osprey Hurricane Aces 1941-45 book

sits back and waits to be told they are pants!

Graham, Do you know which would be the best set of plans please, or are they all suspect?

[Test Graham]

I would go with AL Bentley's plans from Scale Models, admittedly for a Mk.I but that's not relevant to the wing planform.

[AnonymousFO98]

Thanks Graham

[XV571]

Does this Help?:

This is the Revell top wing (lighter grey) on the Academy lower wing. It was aligned at the inner line of the wing attachment fairing. Interestingly the outer cannon holes just about match but the inner ones are about half a hole out with the Revell one being further inboard.

[mike romeo]

Chaps,

Many thanks for all the responses to date.

In particular, XV571, great photo!!!

What I think I'll do is take ~1.5mm off the trailing edge of the wing root, constant from root to tip, then reshape the tip so that it intersects with the straight portion of the trailing edge inboard of the outer edge of the aileron. Correcting this may be a bit anal, but I feel it's within my capabilities, so why not?

I know I could wait to do this until I get home but I'm keen to get cracking!

regards and thanks again,

Martin

PS I am also planning to move the cockpit rear bulkhead further forward and give the outer wing portion more dihedral. Does anyone else think that the dihedral of the outer wing portion is not sufficient?

My previous build (sans wing chord mod) looked as if the wing had slight anhedral. In reality, this was an artefact of the wing reducing in thickness as it goes outboard and was about equal for both top and bottom wing surfaces, but even so, to my eye this looks wrong when viewed from the front. The upper surface should have very little dihedral, but the undersurface should have a reasonable amount. A couple of 'nicks' in both leading and trailing edges of the upper wing part and a slight bend upwards should be sufficient to remedy.

[AnonymousFO98]

never had a problem iirc there is a dihedral on the underside only outboard of the wing stregthener.

Upper surface is level

[AnonymousFO98]

Sorry they are late.

Thanks to Mark (FZ6)

Thought they might be interesting to show the Revell wing and fuselage over the Osprey Hurri Aces 1941-45 plans

Pretty much as expected. In the light of what was previously mentioned about the canon placements of the Revell and Academy kit, the Revell is bang on these drawings as too the landing light.

The fuselage is short according to these plans, as mentioned the SAM MDF says this kit is spot on for length,

[Test Graham]

Have you put a ruler on the plans to check the scale as printed does check that claimed? It's easier to do that than the same for a model.

[mike romeo]

Chaps,

Once again, many thanks. Wings have been modified as discussed previously and are now attached! I must admit I hadn't appreciated that the fuse was under length, however, moving the cockpit a couple of mils further forward and removing a couple of mils from the trailing edge of the wing have improved the look significantly. I will post pictures, but there will be a slight hiatus before I return home.

Right. Now, just have to spray satin varnish on my FROG Corsair, finish off rescribing wing panel lines on the Airfix Pe 2, and start scratching the cockpit of my (old school) Revell He 219 . . .

regards,

Martin

[AnonymousFO98]

There may not be a problem wih the length Martin

it could be the plans (which I don't have so can't check with a scale rule Graham )

As previously mentioned according to the SAM MDF length checks out fine.

[Test Graham]

I recall - and I hope I'm right - one article dealing with significant improvements to one large 1/72 model, an elderly Airfix bomber. The modeller spliced the fuselage behind the cockpit to lengthen it, but he had based his measurements on some Aviation News plans rather than the quoted dimensions. The resulting model was superb, and the rest of his changes perfectly justified, but he could have saved himself some work. I was progressing quite nicely following his ideas when a new kit of the subject came out, which rather knocked that project on the head. Mind you, I haven't checked the two different fuselages against each other.......

It must be the most common mistake to make - this model matches/doesn't match the plans therefore it is good/crap. Even good plans can suffer from the printing process.

[AnonymousFO98]

My reason for showing the pics was to question the plans as much as the model.

Have scaled down the SAM MDF plans to 1/72 and unless there was a problem with the photocopier, they are all over the place.

[Giorgio N]

I remember to have checked the Revell 1/72 kit against the Arthur Bentley plans contained in an MAM issue and if I remember correctly the fuselage was correct in length. Now the plans are in 1/48 and to compare the dimensions I used a ruler calibrated in 1/48 on a side and 1/72 on the other. Comparison with the plans clearly showed the wing chord and the cockpit position problems.

I might check again later to confirm, kit is still unbuilt and the plans are still in the library.

[AnonymousFO98]

Hi Giorgio

which issue of MAM was that please? Will possibly be easier to obtain than the Scale Models that Graham mentioned.

[Giorgio N]

Model Aircraft Monthly November 2005. The cover had a Hurri and the main article was devoted to the Hurricane 70th anniversary. Plans were a big foldout in the magazine center, in 1/48

[AnonymousFO98]

Cheers Giorgio

Looks like I can order a back issue

[mike romeo]

Chaps,

In-build Revell Hurricane IIc with wing chord reduction and cockpit bulkhead moved forward a couple of mils.

Some work to do on reducing the step at the wing / fuselage join, but it's not too bad. Outer wing dihedral on the lower surface has been captured OK, as well. Probably going to be a SEAC Mk IIc with 2 cannon and bombs, but I'll need a reference and some decals.

I'm not going to rescribe the ailerons . . .

regards,

Martin

[Obi-Jiff Kenobi]

Looking good so far, Martin.

Obi-Jiff

[tonyot]

I`m sorry.....I`ve just noticed this thread and its reference to my old SAM article!! I`ll gladly e mail you a copy of the photo/s but looking at your photo of the model so far you look to have it spot on to me!! Good luck with the model and all the best,

Tony O