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  1. Hi Phil, Great work as usual on stretching the Revell A350. We all thank you for doing this so that Zvezda could promptly go and announce their -1000 kit! I've been looking into this off and on since a conversation I had at SMW last November. I wan't sure whether to post this in the original thread but I think it's probably more appropriate here for now. So, go get a cuppa and make yourself comfy for a long read The exact forward plug location is actually inserted at Frame 30, this is after the eleventh window from the first door and is six frames long (7 windows). The aft plug is five frames (six windows) aft of Frame 72 (located four windows behind Door 3 however as this is still inside the wing to body fairing zone, unless you cut aft of this (like you've done) you'd need to perform major surgery. The centre section is the same length on both variants. Incidentally the centre of Door 2 now falls directly in line with the forward tip of the wing to body fairing. On the wings, after a few false starts I now think I've got to the bottom of the wing differences between the two variants: There is an extension to the trailing edge only. From the data I've seen the chord at the fuselage/wing root is the same for the -900 and -1000. After seeing reference to Flap and Winglet trailing edge extensions, further investigation confirmed that the chord is wider out to the wing tip on the A35K. This extension is quite subtle as it effectively extends the trailing edge between the wing root and winglet but tapers away toward the extreme tip of the Winglet. This is a diagram to show the change between the two (the shaded area is the A350-900 wing) which as you can see requires addition of about 2.0mm to the kit's trailing edge with a taper at each end. My figure is derived from reliable source data and the Revell A350 wing matches it well - if you print it out the flap track fairings should align with the kit's wing and the wing root should match (do not include the section used to locate the wing into the fuselage!) The wing tip should more or less align but obviously it's going to be tricky to match it perfectly between the 2D drawing and the moulded 3D plastic. Adding the extension on to the winglets may prove to be troublesome considering the Revell wing is solid outboard of the wing tip. On the Main Landing Gear bay - this ia one frame longer that the A359, the extra being at the rear of the bay. This is an additional 4.4mm compared to the kit door. Unfortunately I don't have any detail pictures I can post but the corners are more squared off at the front and the rear and the doors are slightly narrower than the A359's. The RAT is also moved one frame back as you observed. Here's three photos of Cathay Pacific A35Ks with good shots of the door shape: https://www.airliners.net/photo/Cathay-Pacific-Airways/Airbus-A350-1041/5236717/L?qsp=eJxtjTEOwjAQBP%2BytRsEBCsdaSih4AOn8wGWQmKdr0gU5e8YR6KiW82uZhfwOJhMdp%2BToEUWUn7BIZHSO6NdQFFZ6WEd5cjbzJ927scvMoj%2BbdA2x8bvHfKo1s1FH8jkzCzJJGDjVw2i30oy199n0RRJEr3VDH8oPMSceqoOMYo91vUDkTo%2BSQ%3D%3D https://www.airliners.net/photo/Cathay-Pacific-Airways/Airbus-A350-1041/5133441/L?qsp=eJxtTrsOwjAM/BfPWXiVKBtdGOnAD1iOgUiljWwPVFX/naaRmNjupbubgcbB%2BGP3KTMEUEahFzjIKPhWCDNgEhJ8WIuaqMb8eed%2B%2BpUHlr8OhObU%2BIMDHcXaaa2PaHwh4mwcoeo3iSzFYqVt91l%2B7Atk6Srzx5XGpLnHrYUNUw/L8gUBCj6O https://www.airliners.net/photo/Cathay-Pacific-Airways/Airbus-A350-1041/5110515/L?qsp=eJxtTrsOwjAM/BfPWXiVKBtdGOnAD1iOgUiljWwPVFX/naaRmNjupbubgcbB%2BGP3KTMEUEahFzjIKPhWCDNgEhJ8WIuaqMb8eed%2B%2BpUHlr8OhObU%2BIMDHcXaaa2PaHwh4mwcoeo3iSzFYqVt91l%2B7Atk6Srzx5XGpLnHrYUNUw/L8gUBCj6O Finally, the Ram Air Outlet exhausts. Typically this isn't as simple as you might think; depending on the aircraft there can be between two to four. Note that the grilles forward and aft of the exhausts on the kit were deleted from MSN005 (the second carbon fibre livery jet now F-HREU with French Bee). You can also see this in Phil's picture above. MSN005 was also actually the last to have 4 exhausts. Of the early test aircraft MSNs 001, 002 & 005 had 4, MSN 003 had 3 and MSN 004 had 2. Production aircraft have 2 or 3; I have no idea why, it may be down to a customer configuration. I thinks that covers Phil's questions. If anyone has any more on the A350-1000 external differences I'll see if I can come up with some answers for you. HTH, Jonathan
  2. I think the best 1/48 Royal Jet 370 gallon tanks are either the Monogram or Zoukei Moura ones. The Hasegawa and Italeri/ESCI ones seem too 'pointy' but can be improved by sanding the tips to a more rounded profile. The Academy version are a good shape but the prominent external stiffener is represented by a very thin line so this needs adding with some plastic strip. The only 1/48 aftermarket 370 gallon tanks I know of are the McDonnell version by Hypersonic but these aren't suitable for a German Air Force jet. Alternatively, Luftwaffe F-4Fs were often seen without outboard tanks especially once the HPC tanks was introduced so it wouldn't be out of place to leave the kit without them and just have the inner pylons and missile rails. One other thing, not tank related but unique to the F-4F and a detail often overlooked, the larger forward AIM-7 fin slots were replaced by a blank panel in the front missile wells to reduce drag. The rear ones could also be faired over but this was less common once the AIM-120 was introduced. If it's not too late you can fill these slots, as desired, to reproduce this on your kit. HTH, Jonathan
  3. Hi Chris, As Pete says the F-4F used the same tanks as seen on all other F-4s. In fact they were originally delivered in the same colours as USAF tanks and could be still seen like this well into the 1990s. I've seen a fair few pictures of F-4Fs carrying wing tanks with any combination of green/grey nose, centre or tail with the rest in the later Norm 90 grey scheme. If you're doing an all grey jet it could make an interesting contrast. HTH, Jonathan
  4. Been pondering on this for a while; given the 'showroom' finish of some of those Phantoms, particularly the VMFA-334 one, I believe the mystery circles might be factory applied Quality Assurance stickers similar to the 'warranty void if removed' types you sometimes see on some consumer goods. I've seen similar versions on newly delivered airliners where they're applied across a panel joint after the internal systems have been inspected, the panel is secured, the inspector seals the area with the sticker then stamps and initials it. When the panel is opened it will tear the sticker in half. Although some of them could last a long while (I've seen some still on A320 aircraft undergoing a 4C Check at 8 years!) for a military jet, especially a Navy one, I doubt they last very long considering the combination of supersonic speeds, environment/corrosion control and regular removal of certain panels. A post cruise repaint would also see them disappear since there'd be no reason to reapply them. Perhaps @Tailspin Turtle could confirm whether McDonnell did apply them? Probably the only F-4 left which may still have any left more or less intact would be FG.1 XT596 in the FAA Museum at Yeovilton. You can see them in this photo: https://www.airliners.net/photo/UK-Navy/McDonnell-F-4K-Phantom-FG1/1584511/L . Annoyingly I've been up close to the exhibit a couple of times but never had a camera on me. It's a shame that the model show is no more, it'd have been an ideal opportunity to have a proper look and take some close-up photos. Anyone going there in the near future that could have a look? It just goes to show that you can have a subject about which literally milliions of words have been written and still come across stuff you've never noticed before! Jonathan
  5. Thanks for the suggestion Dave, I'll have a look at the #107. I've sprayed some #311 FS36622 on one wing and I agree it's definitely far too grey. I'm also going to try some #316 FS17875 - at the very least it won't go to waste, I've got several F-4s that'll need it . Jonathan (with further apologies to Phil)
  6. The set was officially released at Telford in November. I was told there had been an issue with the mould for the one piece nose assembly becoming damaged so only a few were available. I was lucky enough to get one and because of the limited supply Brigade Models were taking deposits for orders to be sent on once the problem was fixed. Since I was originally after two sets I filled in the form and yesterday a small package arrrived with a Kent postmark containing my second one! I would imagine Kevin is busy posting out the Telford backlog and Hannants will receive their stock soon. I wouldn't be surprised if it appears in the New Arrivals section sometime this week, I understand the biggest delay was caused by the canopy. I believe the original plan was to have it in clear resin but this proved problematic to produce so it's now a vacform. The rest of the set is just as seen in Ted's pictures although only one McDonnell seat is included. The missing arrestor hook fairing has been added though. The decals are for 142259 as it appears during the first flight. They are printed by Cartograf so should present no problems in application. The only issue is that the wing insignia are the same size as the fuselage ones (should be 45 inches instead of 30 inches as supplied) so you'll have to source the correct ones to be absolutely accurate. It looks like a great conversion set and will add a very significant aircraft to your Phantom Phamily. HTH, Jonathan
  7. Gene, don't worry, Z-M were told about the extraneous pitot on the fin. Sometime on Saturday afternoon (so after the above picture was taken) it was removed, hopefully never to return. As well as the revised rear fuselage, although it's not very visible they've captured that the windscreen is more faired into the fuselage than on the short nosed variants - something missed in most of the other F-4E/F kits where the same canopy is used across all models. Although I doubt it will be done, the icing on the cake would be if they also included the frameless version. Based on the timing of the first F-4J release if they have the 3D model nearly completed I'd expect the test shots could be shown at the IPMS-USA Nationals which would mean this may be top of my shopping list next November. Jonathan
  8. I have a similar project on-going for the first and last USN & USAF F-4 kills. As part of the research I obtained copies of the IPMS USA 2011 Booklet and decal sheet which has both VF-96 and VF-21 F-4Bs. In the accompanying artic;le it states the following: "...Flying north, they overtook for Chinese Shenyang J-5s ... flying from China's Hainan Island. Realising they were being overtaken, the Chinese pilots broke formation and in the next 15-20 minutes the Phantoms and MiGs were cutting across the sky, breaking inside of each other and the Americans were firing their Sparrow and Sidewinder missiles. The Chinese never fired because they never received permission from their controllers. Soon, an American pilot spotted what he thought was a MiG-17 falling from the sky. Nearly 30 years later one of the Chinese pilots - all of whom returned to their base safely - reported he had seen a F-4 hit by a missile fired by another Phantom and crashing into the sea. Murphy and Fegan were never seen again by anyone although they were later credited with the Navy's first air-to-air kil of the Vietnam War. The Navy's first uncontested shoot-down took place on June 17 1965 when Commander Louis Page and Lt J C Smith, in an F-4B from the USS Midway, downed a MiG-17 with a Sparrow..." As for the BuNo for Sundown 101, a later Osprey book 'US Navy F-4 Phantom II Units of the Vietnam War 1964-68' also by Peter E. Davies and published in 2016 states that 150646 was flown by Cdr Page & Lt Smith on 17 June 1965. A further point is that the Phantom in the USS Midway Museum in San Diego is painted as both 150646 and 150345 (Rock River 102) to signify the first and last USN MiG kills. So, it would appear that further evidence has appeared to confirm the actual jet flown since the orignal Osprey Combat Aircraft 26 book was published in 2001 and the US Navy have sussequently c;lassified Page & Smith's MiG-17 as the first official USN victory. I also remember a thread on another forum about the time Furball annouced their sheet where this may have been discussed as well; if I ever find it I'll post a link. So far I've only managed to complete F-4D 65-0796, the last USAF victory. I held off doing the first USN F-4 for the same reason as you but mainly based on the above I think I will do Sundown 101 as the first actual USN MiG kill. HTH, Jonathan
  9. Hi Phil, Your A350 is looking really smart, The actual metallic finish on the real aircraft is actually a silver mica finish with a white undercoat but your approach looks spot-on. It's a scheme I'd really like to do one day, maybe not this A350 but one of the other Skyteam members' aircraft. I've seen Delta's 767-300 overhead quite a few times but there's other jets of theirs I'd like to do, so probably not that exact one. On the wing colour I hope this isn't too late as I've been waiting for some definitive information, but I have to disagree with Ray on the wing colour; all production A350 wings are white, specifically a shade called by Airbus 'Matterhorn White' which is given the company colour code of M8002. It appears to be an off-white shade which is probably why there is a contrast between the airline livery and the wings which could explain it being interpreted from photos as the wings being a light grey. Incidentally the lower fuselage of the standard Air Vietnam livery in Ray's link is BAC7010 Ivory. There is absolutely definitely no corrogard on the A350 wing, in fact it is no longer used on any new Airbus deliveries having been replaced by a more environmentally finish called Aeroflex at least 5-8 years ago. For example all A380s use Aeroflex on the inspar area. I too wondered if the A350 wings were grey but I've been fortunate to be able to view the original wing livery drawings and, recently, other documents which clearly state that the Wings, Pylons and Horizontal Stabilisers are non-customisable as part of the external livery and will only be offered in Matterhorn White. The change was introduced in an Airbus modification document titled "Modify The General Paint Scheme of External Surfaces From Light Grey to White" from MSN0006 (the first Qatar delivery). Also bear in mind that part of the certification process there are thermal property requirements for composite wings to be certified. As part of the testing and certification process it was found that although the grey wings installed on the early aircraft could achieve the minimum requirements, overall white significantly improved the thermal performance. As a result of this testing all A350 production aircraft now have white on both upper and lower surfaces and so the only A350s with light grey wings are the prototypes as depicted on the original Revell release instructions. These were painted BAC707 grey top and bottom with grey RAL 7004 Aeroflex inspar areas. The one exception was MSN005 (the carbon livery) which has white upper wings. No doubt the same would have applied to the Boeing 787 and I'm sure when the 777-9 is formally rolled out its wings will seen to be overall white too. I hope you can understand that unfortunately I'm not able to get copies or post any extracts from these documents since they are proprietary to Airbus and could probably result in some major grief for my sources. I haven't yet been able to persuade someone to get hold of a sample of Matterhorn White for me but I'm thinking that maybe USAF SEA light grey 36622 could be a solution to get the required contrast with the 'purer' whites we as modellers typically use for the fuselage (think Appliance White). Mr Color also have an off-white #69 which could be another candidate. When I eventually get round to doing my Finnair jet I plan to see which one looks the best match against the RAL9001 they use for the fuselage and winglets. For comparison between the A350 and 787 here's two pictures I took this afternoon: Lufthansa A350-941 D-AIXI in their new colours: Air France 787-9 F-HRBC; Sorry to bombard you with so much information but I hope this helps. I'm sure whatever you decide to do with the wings, the finished kit will look great. Jonathan
  10. I'm intrigued as to why you consider the Hasegawa Phantoms are crude. As Nigel Bunker mentions, while it's fair to say that the original Hasegawa J79 Phantoms in their 1960s F-4J and the 1970s F-4E/EJ/F (updated in the early '80s to add a slatted wing) incarnations could match this description, the early 1990s(!!) Hasegawa mould was absolute state of the art when released and I think it is still the best 1/72 J79 Phantom kit Phamily available. Granted they don't have features such as seamless intakes, separate airbrakes or a highly detailed cockpit that now often appear in modern kits and it can be fiddly to assemble as a result of trying to squeeze all the versions out of the same basic moulds but it has a very good shape and the recessed panel lines are comparable to the best of more recent kits. If it's a must, there are seamless intakes available from X-Mold Modelling (http://xmold-modeling.com/products-information/). Quickboost and others make some very nice resin seats, wheels and jet pipes. Eduard have several etch sets for the kit and, if you're brave, there is an Aires cockpit for the F-4G. Hasegawa only provided basic missiles as they intended that modellers would then have to buy their separate weapons sets which had much more detailed versions, although these have probably been superseded by more modern options in resin from the likes of Eduard's Brassin range. The slightly earlier (late 80s) 1/72 Fujimi F-4s moved into second place after the Hasegawa kit was released but the cockpit is poor and the long nose version is slightly off (I think it has been suggested as being a little too angled downwards). The Italeri (reboxed by Tamiya and Bilek) F-4E/F/G is okay but the cockpit and the seats are woeful. The inboard pylons are also too shallow and the kit lacks virtually all the antennae present on the F-4G. The contemporary ESCI F-4s, while different kits, suffered similar issues. The later Revell F-4F & RF-4E, although very detailed and superbly moulded, suffer from numerous shape issues similar to their 1/32 kits. Note that while the Academy F-4J is very nice it suffers similar issues to it's 1/48 sibling, for many the most visible of which is the too far inboard outer panel line on the stabilators. I feel that some details are also a bit clunky due to the snap-together features and it would be nice to have had an open canopy option. Personally I think the kit's rivet detail is overdone - Phantoms don't have masses of visible fastener lines on the airframe but obviously people's opinions differ on this. It doesn't seem likely Academy will do another version, a F-4B was rumoured long before the J was released and I would have expected at least a F-4D in Korean markings to have appeared by now. There's also no signs of a new tool Academy F-4E in 1/48 despite the RoKAF being a major user so I don't see one in 1/72 appearing from them. Platz are planning a 1/72 F-4EJKai https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235037980-172-mcdd-f-4ej-phantom-ii-new-tool-by-platz-release-in-2019/ which will only have a 'hard wing' option with Kai specific features, Unless an aftermarket manufacturer produces a slatted wing conversion similar to those for the 1/32 Tamiya kit, I don't see an alternative to the long nose Hasegawa Phantoms in the near future. Of the model companies, Airfix are unlikely to expand beyond the Spey powered versions; Revell will be happy to continue with their F-4s (and the ex-Monogram F-4C/D/J), as will Italeri (including their ex-ESCI moulds). Tamiya don't really do new 1/72 (their F-16 being a notable exception). That leaves us with Meng (1/72 appears to have stalled for them after the F-106A and G-91), Trumpeter/Hobbyboss (could be interesting), Eduard (huge backlog of mostly WWII projects) or maybe Tan Models (rumoured to be planning a 1/32 F-4E but might be receptive to calls for a smaller scale kit in the future). Maybe by combining the Italeri kit with the Revell F-4F this could address some of the latter's worst areas to get a half decent F-4G without breaking the bank. Alternatively you could try the same with the Academy F-4J. You'd still need to sort the aft cockpit and antennae fit though; but this applies to any of the kits although Hasegawa at least gave you a decal resembling the WSO's instrument panel. To conclude a long post, I honestly think the Hasegawa Phantom is your best option for an decent F-4G (or F-4E) without a huge amount of aftermarket, cross-kitting and/or scratchbuilding being necessary. The trickiest part will be finding a 1/72 Hasegawa F-4G kit for something less than a King's ransom! Unfortunately Hasegawa only seem interested in re-issuing the F-4EJ with different markings for their domestic market. Except for a very limited edition 'QF-4E' about a year ago I don't remember their slatted F-4E, F or G being available for quite a long time. HTH, Jonathan
  11. That artwork appeared on the Aviation Megastore website about a year or two ago, even before any basic CAD work was done! The project has been in (slow) progress since 2015: https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234989748-132-mcdonnell-douglas-phantom-f-4km-f-4bn-by-hong-kong-models/& BTW, the dimensions and the parts count on the 'boxart' are those for their Meteor F4. I don't think HKM have completed the initial CAD design of the external surfaces let alone the parts layout. Also lots of discussion on LSP: https://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?/topic/58590-new-132-f-4km-fg1fgr2-phantom-kit-announced-by-hkm/& https://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?/topic/70189-hk-models-spey-phantom-update/& https://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?/topic/74694-okmy-fake-news/&tab=comments#comment-1036125 It was mentioned somewhere that this will be fully revisited after their Lancaster BI/III is released. Given that pictures of the Lancaster test shots have only recently appeared, we're probably looking at 2020 at the earliest before the Spey Phantom is likely to be on sale; plenty of time to save up. If it's as good as the Lanc looks to be, it'll be a cracking kit.
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    RF-4C vs RF-4E

    Hi Filler, Don't worry you have the correct kit, 68-0583 definitely had the 'Chisel' type nose. You can clearly see it in these pictures: http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/000709433L.html and https://www.flickr.com/photos/88867126@N08/16510721235. If you really want to go all out with a detailed camera bay, there's the Aires set 4231 http://acc.kitreview.com/aires4231reviewpb_1.htm which is still available; this also represents the original nose configuration. To tell between the two, the feature to look for is the lozenge shaped bump under the nose which housed the window for the Station 3 camera; the 'Smooth' nose deleted this: RF-4C 72-0156 (this was the final RF-4C built). HTH, Jonathan
  13. I don't think 68-0578 served with the 10TRW, at least in wraparound SEA or Euro 1. I suspect it only flew with US based units. Also, it wasn't fitted with ARN-101 which would have been prioritised to equip USAFE designated F-4s since it was such a significant increase in capability. My 1986 Military Aircraft Markings list the Alconbury RF-4Cs as 68-0554, 68-0555, 68-0557, 68-0561, 68-0563, 68-0565, 68-0567, 68-0568, 68-0580, 68-0563, 68-0569, 69-0369, 69-0370, 69-0378, 69-0380, 69-0381, 69-0382, 69-0384, 71-0259 and 72-0146. I believe the change over to Euro 1 started about 1983. It wouldn't have been a massive task since the grey simply replaced the tan. Being near the 'sharp end' I would think that they changed over fairly rapidly and were more or less all done by early 1985 although I have pictures of a Zweibrucken RF-4C and a Spangdahlem F-4E still painted in the SEA wraparound scheme in 1986! Here's a photo I took at the Alconbury air show in August 1984. Apologies for the quality, camera kit was rather limited for my schoolboy budget at the time. The aircraft are, top to bottom: 68-0589, 68-0583, 68-0554 (Euro 1), 68-0568. All have the original 'chisel' nose and are ARN-101 equipped: Here's two 10TRW RF-4Cs with the later nose: 69-0380 on approach in 1985: http://www.aviationphotocompany.com/p934046062/h80bd5a69#h80bd5a69 69-0382 at RAF Lossiemouth in 1986. http://www.aviationphotocompany.com/p934046062/h80bff555#h80bff555 Note that the Euro 1 jet on the Xtradecal sheet has the wrong serial number, it should be 69-381; there never was an F-4 of any version with the serial 65-381. Incidentally it also has the later type 'smooth' nose as does 68-0564 (https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/registration/68-0564) which is correctly shown on the instruction sheet. HTH, Jonathan. P.S. For Larry, yes all Hasegawa's 1/48 RF-4s have the ARN-101 antenna, it's on Sprue N with other RF-4 specific parts.
  14. After making some inquiries, here are the colour call-outs from the livery drawings: Pink - Pantone PMS233C Blue - Pantone PMS2738C In case it's useful sometime in the future, the blue replaced Purple PMS2613C as used in the original livery. HTH, Jonathan
  15. Hi Ray, There were also sets made by Airdoc and Hobbydecal. The Airdoc one was intended to accompany their RAF Germany Phantom sheet and had both Tactical and Air Defence options. The Hobbydecal FGR2 set only covered the grey scheme but they did include some on their 892NAS sheet that could be used for the RAF Grey/Green jets as well. The Hobbydecals are rub-down markings and so not for the faint hearted. RAM models were apparently also planning a sheet but this seems to have fallen by the wayside. The Airdoc sheet is now impossible to find having been out of print for a long time now. Like Jabba, I'm half expecting Xtradecal to scale up their 1/72 versions as it seems that their new 1/48 UK Phantom sheets have done quite well so they may now consider it worthwhile. I'd love to see a stencil sheet - especially for the Grey/Green scheme. I've several jets planned which would need stencils so I'd definitely be interested in a few sets of both versions if you decide to do some. Jonathan
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