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  1. Hi Alistair, To add to Alan's very useful photos, here's a couple of G-VIIB taken last year as she passed overhead en route to LHR at about 22-25000 ft having just gone 'feet dry' over the Bristol Channel: 11 April 2019. Note the leaks from the elevator actuators! 23 Sep 2019 with light cloud but shows the corrogard contrast. The leaks have been fixed and the area cleaned! Living under one of the south western transatlantic air traffic corridors FlightRadar24 and a decent camera with a very long lens has brought a new dimension to spotting airliners from the back garden. HTH, Jonathan
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    Hunter FR10 1/32

    Hi Selwyn, The Echelon Single seat Hunter kit had a set of 4 Squadron markings. You can see them here: https://designer.home.xs4all.nl/models/hunter-32/hunter-e1.htm I guess codes and serials could be cobbled together from the kit and the Xtradecal generic sheets. HTH, Jonathan
  3. The wheel wells appear to be in a similar colour to Sky/Eau de Nil (might possibly be RAL6019) and the landing gear a mixture of light grey and silver. Here's a couple of photos I took at RIAT 2016 of 50+48 in the static display: Transalls aren't normally within my usual area of interest but I thought these might come in handy one day. HTH, Jonathan
  4. The yellow areas will be primer. I haven't worked with the 737 for many years now, but I don't think Boeing has changed the Max's Vertical Stabiliser assembly to a composite construction, so the centre section are metal panels left unpainted in their final colour. This is common practice until the whole airframe receives its final livery at which point the clear green finish will also be removed before painting commences. In the pictures in this link https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1411869 you can see different shades of primer appear on the same panels. The grey areas will be composite panels that are pre-painted in BAC707 grey for standardisation and UV protection before the airline's livery is applied. The rudder is a balanced flight control that has to be pre-painted off the aircraft, it's weight recorded then installed. IIRC you're allowed two repaints then the rudder has to be removed, stripped. then rebalanced before it can be reinstalled. The tip cap will most likely be fibreglass. You could start with a zinc chromate like colour from your paint manufacturer of choice and maybe lighten it until you're happy with the result. Don't worry too much about the exact colour - primers are produced to a specification that prioritises the protectve properties, not an exact shade. The panels will be produced in batches, primered then sent to Renton for installation. They may have more than one supplier who use different paint manufacturers hence the different shades in the above photos. For another example, if you look for pictures of unpainted Airbuses you can easily see where the fuselage sections are joined, just by the shade of the primer! HTH, Jonathan
  5. The F-4J(UK) is basically a 'slatless' F-4S but retains some F-4J features such as the original style ECS intake type on the left (no central splitter plate) and full length vents either side of the nose wheel well. The VTAS mounting brackets were installed on the canopies but the sensors were never fitted. I think Luigi has covered the other differences; I think in his last point he's referring to the aft fuselage cooling intake. This has an extended strake on all F-4Js (as in the Hasegawa kit), earlier aircraft (e.g. the F-4B & F-4C) just had the vertical splitter. Also, don't forget that ZE350 was unique in not having the short ECM ducts on the intake shoulders. Most aftermarket cockpit bits for the F-4J are for the 'late' configuration with the central radar controller joystick so are useable for a F-4J(UK). You'll have to scratchbuild the TASS periscope though; but as most of the time it wasn't fitted you could just add a circular blanking plate and paint over the glazing. As Julien says, the seats were originally US Navy standard but were changed late in life to the UK version. Nobody has yet done an accurate 1/48 USN Mk7 seat with the integral oxygen bottle so it's personal preference on which US type seat you want to use (I tend to use the Quickboost ones as the straps are integral which I prefer to PE ones). Quickboost and Mastercasters now have seats for British Phantoms so they could be used for a late aircraft. Stencils are white but were minimal on the real thing, Most seem to just be the panel numbers. Zoukei Mura released a F-4J(UK) sheet SWS48-04-D01 which although expensive (about £20) it covers all the jets across its full service life and was researched and designed by Dave Roof of Flying Leathernecks Decals so will be accurate. Icarus Decals do a white stencil sheet https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/IC48005?result-token=ysKTS but these are probably over the top for a RAF F-4J(UK). KitsWorld also have a sheet with white stencils https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/KW48118?result-token=ysKTS but even then you probably only need a few from the white section. You may find this thead interesting, it started off as a colour question but evolved into a more general topic on the F-4J(UK): https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/35997-f-4j-uk-phantom/. It used to be pinned; maybe the mods could re-pin it? HTH, Jonathan
  6. There's always the Maestro Models one for the 1/72 Heller kit: https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MMMK7267 If it's the 1/48 ex-ESCI kit, there's this one: https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MMMK4866 I'm sure that with a bit of fettling and filler it could be made to fit the Airfix fuselage (whichever scale you're after ). HTH, Jonathan
  7. Yes, it's a little disappointing that there's no sign of plastic test shots yet meaning their F-4E is unlikely to be released any time soon. We're probably now looking at about another 6-9 months before the first plastic test shot appears. with an earliest release at Teford 2020. However this 3D printed model is definitely different to those previously posted; this one has the early pre-Midas short gun muzzle, the slatless 'Hard Wing' and an early RWR 'football' on the fin cap. By showing this new 3D print I wonder if Zoukei Mura have now decided to release an early Vietnam era jet first before the slatted versions. In a way it makes sense, they've so far released their Phantoms in chronological order: Navy F-4J then 'S (followed by two more 'J boxings); the USAF F-4C then the F-4D. Running the above notice through Google Translate ir indicates there will be seven 'long nose' versions, Logically, based on the real aircraft's evolution, this would be the Hard Wing F-4E first,yhgyt followed by a F-4EJ, the early slatted F-4E (with underbelly strap), late F-4E (no strap), the F-4F then the F-4G and probably ending with the F-4EJ Kai. Hopefully once the first version is out, the others will follow relatively quickly. Oh well, the Hasegawa ones in the stash will have to tide me over for a bit longer. Jonathan
  8. Strictly speaking it's still a standard F-4G in that photo. It doesn't have the very distinctive 'destruct hump' on the spine or the additional antennae for the NOLO (No Onboard Live Operator) system. The tag on the linked page indicates it was taken at Victorville, California, I would think that the picture was taken during a test flight shortly afer a Depot Maintenance visit. Given the grey tanks and radome, I suspect it was then going to be finished in the Hill Grey scheme, so it's more likely that it was taken about 1988-89. 69-0254 was converted to a QF-4G in 1998 and finally expended in June 2001. QF-4s weren't repaiinted during conversion, after all why paint something that's going to have a short life and a fiery ending. The exception would be the Heritage Flight jets but even these ended up at the wrong end of a missile launch. As to the primer, just go with something you're happy with. It won't have a specific FS number as the primer's protective properties are more important than being an exact colour; I've seen a similar picture of another F-4G which looks more of a lemon yellow! Airbuses are notorious for being a patchwork of green primer shades, just look at this A380: https://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled-Lufthansa/Airbus-A380-841/1711644?qsp=eJyrVkrOzytJrSgJqSxIVbJSSsxJKs1V0lEqSCxKzC1WsqqGiHimKFmZmpma1tYCALDvEKo%3D . The primer on each section will be of the same specification probably from different suppliers but, since it'll be overpainted, having a uniform colour isn't important. HTH, Jonathan
  9. Hi, everyone, sorry for the delay in answering (blame work demands) and for some reason I didn't get Dave's notifcation. Yes, both manufacturers call up BAC707 on their drawings and although Airbus now prefer to use the internal code M9001 it can easily be traced back to the original Boeing Standard reference if you know who to ask with the right documentation. I've put out some feelers to try and get a sample for comparison with the various options mentioned above, so fingers crossed this comes through. Xtracolor X301 was originally a good match (I understand a sample of BAC707 was actually provided to Hannants along with a lot of the other Boeing colours they issued) but the last couple of tins I've bought have a distinctly 'concrete' tinge completely unlike the actual shade, I don't know if there is a better later batch since recently I've tended to use X150 Voodoo Grey instead. I'm not sure about the Mr Color options but 315 is FS16440 Light Gull Grey and 338 is FS36495. The first is probably a little too 'brown' as BAC707 is quite neutral and the latter has been mentioned as a good match for American Airlines grey when used with Tamiya TS65 Pearl Clear (see here for a comparison to BAC707: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/306028-aa-new-colors/) but is slightly darker than BAC707. Adding a little white to 338 miight bring it nearer to the correct shade. GSI Creos did actually do a Mr Color BAC707 paint once but it was in a special All Nippon Airways livery set (number CS-571) and appears to be long gone now. Maybe they'll re-release the set one day, or better still, as separate items since the white is also a standard Boeing colour. Perhaps now that the RAF and other Air Forces are acquiring P-8 Poseidons more choices for BAC707 could become available from other paint manufacturers. Here's hoping... HTH, Jonathan
  10. Are you building MK528, the 43 Squadron option? If you are, then I wouldn't be too bothered about the yellow leading edges because they weren't on this aircraft during that timeframe! You can see her in this IWM picture (she's the aircraft on the right): AUSTRIA UNDER ALLIED OCCUPATION. © IWM (CL 2983) IWM Non Commercial License If you zoom right in on the aircraft via the + button option on the full page: https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205207939 you can see there's no yellow stripe on the leading edge (although there is a light area towards the tip which might be overpainted yellow). Note that FT-O (probably MH737) has yellow leading edges with a completely overpainted Sky band and FT-P (probably MJ498) has yellow leading edges and what looks like a small section of the Sky band remaining under the serial number. I've seen other pictures of aircraft on the squadron still with Sky bands post-war! It seems that aircraft used in the Italian campaigns were a real mixed bunch when it came to identfication markings, especially at the end of the war. Now, some potential bad news for you. I believe that Revell got the colours of the codes wrong, In Jimmy Beedle's history of 43 Squadron he states that the red & white codes were introduced in August 1943 when Flt Lt Laing-Meason took charge of A Flight as he previously used them when with 145 Sqn. Beedle then wites that once Flt Lt Laing-Meason took over command of the Squadron he added blue to the previously all whte codes of B Flight. A Flight used codes A to K and B Flight used the rest of the alphabet. An anomaly is the dates since Sqn Ldr Laing-Meason's tenure was quite short (March - June 1944) and there are pictures of B Flight Spitfire VIIIs with white codes in October 1944. Since Jimmy Beedle was quite accurate in other colour details, I think that the blue would have probably actually been introduced when 43Sqn re-equipped with the Mk IX shortly after returning from Southern France. The shades of the codes in the above picture match the blue of the roundel more closely than that of the red. If you compare them to those in the well known picture of Mk VIII MT714 FT-F you can see these are much lighter than the ones in the first picture: ROYAL AIR FORCE OPERATIONS IN MALTA, GIBRALTAR AND THE MEDITERRANEAN, 1940-1945.. © IWM (CL 998) IWM Non Commercial License It'll be understandable if, after all the tribulations you've suffered with the kit, you just leave them as they are! HTH, Jonathan
  11. Hi Phil, Great work as usual on stretching the Revell A350. We all thank you for doing this so that Zvezda could promptly go and announce their -1000 kit! I've been looking into this off and on since a conversation I had at SMW last November. I wan't sure whether to post this in the original thread but I think it's probably more appropriate here for now. So, go get a cuppa and make yourself comfy for a long read The exact forward plug location is actually inserted at Frame 30, this is after the eleventh window from the first door and is six frames long (7 windows). The aft plug is five frames (six windows) aft of Frame 72 (located four windows behind Door 3 however as this is still inside the wing to body fairing zone, unless you cut aft of this (like you've done) you'd need to perform major surgery. The centre section is the same length on both variants. Incidentally the centre of Door 2 now falls directly in line with the forward tip of the wing to body fairing. On the wings, after a few false starts I now think I've got to the bottom of the wing differences between the two variants: There is an extension to the trailing edge only. From the data I've seen the chord at the fuselage/wing root is the same for the -900 and -1000. After seeing reference to Flap and Winglet trailing edge extensions, further investigation confirmed that the chord is wider out to the wing tip on the A35K. This extension is quite subtle as it effectively extends the trailing edge between the wing root and winglet but tapers away toward the extreme tip of the Winglet. This is a diagram to show the change between the two (the shaded area is the A350-900 wing) which as you can see requires addition of about 2.0mm to the kit's trailing edge with a taper at each end. My figure is derived from reliable source data and the Revell A350 wing matches it well - if you print it out the flap track fairings should align with the kit's wing and the wing root should match (do not include the section used to locate the wing into the fuselage!) The wing tip should more or less align but obviously it's going to be tricky to match it perfectly between the 2D drawing and the moulded 3D plastic. Adding the extension on to the winglets may prove to be troublesome considering the Revell wing is solid outboard of the wing tip. On the Main Landing Gear bay - this ia one frame longer that the A359, the extra being at the rear of the bay. This is an additional 4.4mm compared to the kit door. Unfortunately I don't have any detail pictures I can post but the corners are more squared off at the front and the rear and the doors are slightly narrower than the A359's. The RAT is also moved one frame back as you observed. Here's three photos of Cathay Pacific A35Ks with good shots of the door shape: https://www.airliners.net/photo/Cathay-Pacific-Airways/Airbus-A350-1041/5236717/L?qsp=eJxtjTEOwjAQBP%2BytRsEBCsdaSih4AOn8wGWQmKdr0gU5e8YR6KiW82uZhfwOJhMdp%2BToEUWUn7BIZHSO6NdQFFZ6WEd5cjbzJ927scvMoj%2BbdA2x8bvHfKo1s1FH8jkzCzJJGDjVw2i30oy199n0RRJEr3VDH8oPMSceqoOMYo91vUDkTo%2BSQ%3D%3D https://www.airliners.net/photo/Cathay-Pacific-Airways/Airbus-A350-1041/5133441/L?qsp=eJxtTrsOwjAM/BfPWXiVKBtdGOnAD1iOgUiljWwPVFX/naaRmNjupbubgcbB%2BGP3KTMEUEahFzjIKPhWCDNgEhJ8WIuaqMb8eed%2B%2BpUHlr8OhObU%2BIMDHcXaaa2PaHwh4mwcoeo3iSzFYqVt91l%2B7Atk6Srzx5XGpLnHrYUNUw/L8gUBCj6O https://www.airliners.net/photo/Cathay-Pacific-Airways/Airbus-A350-1041/5110515/L?qsp=eJxtTrsOwjAM/BfPWXiVKBtdGOnAD1iOgUiljWwPVFX/naaRmNjupbubgcbB%2BGP3KTMEUEahFzjIKPhWCDNgEhJ8WIuaqMb8eed%2B%2BpUHlr8OhObU%2BIMDHcXaaa2PaHwh4mwcoeo3iSzFYqVt91l%2B7Atk6Srzx5XGpLnHrYUNUw/L8gUBCj6O Finally, the Ram Air Outlet exhausts. Typically this isn't as simple as you might think; depending on the aircraft there can be between two to four. Note that the grilles forward and aft of the exhausts on the kit were deleted from MSN005 (the second carbon fibre livery jet now F-HREU with French Bee). You can also see this in Phil's picture above. MSN005 was also actually the last to have 4 exhausts. Of the early test aircraft MSNs 001, 002 & 005 had 4, MSN 003 had 3 and MSN 004 had 2. Production aircraft have 2 or 3; I have no idea why, it may be down to a customer configuration. I thinks that covers Phil's questions. If anyone has any more on the A350-1000 external differences I'll see if I can come up with some answers for you. HTH, Jonathan
  12. I think the best 1/48 Royal Jet 370 gallon tanks are either the Monogram or Zoukei Moura ones. The Hasegawa and Italeri/ESCI ones seem too 'pointy' but can be improved by sanding the tips to a more rounded profile. The Academy version are a good shape but the prominent external stiffener is represented by a very thin line so this needs adding with some plastic strip. The only 1/48 aftermarket 370 gallon tanks I know of are the McDonnell version by Hypersonic but these aren't suitable for a German Air Force jet. Alternatively, Luftwaffe F-4Fs were often seen without outboard tanks especially once the HPC tanks was introduced so it wouldn't be out of place to leave the kit without them and just have the inner pylons and missile rails. One other thing, not tank related but unique to the F-4F and a detail often overlooked, the larger forward AIM-7 fin slots were replaced by a blank panel in the front missile wells to reduce drag. The rear ones could also be faired over but this was less common once the AIM-120 was introduced. If it's not too late you can fill these slots, as desired, to reproduce this on your kit. HTH, Jonathan
  13. Hi Chris, As Pete says the F-4F used the same tanks as seen on all other F-4s. In fact they were originally delivered in the same colours as USAF tanks and could be still seen like this well into the 1990s. I've seen a fair few pictures of F-4Fs carrying wing tanks with any combination of green/grey nose, centre or tail with the rest in the later Norm 90 grey scheme. If you're doing an all grey jet it could make an interesting contrast. HTH, Jonathan
  14. Been pondering on this for a while; given the 'showroom' finish of some of those Phantoms, particularly the VMFA-334 one, I believe the mystery circles might be factory applied Quality Assurance stickers similar to the 'warranty void if removed' types you sometimes see on some consumer goods. I've seen similar versions on newly delivered airliners where they're applied across a panel joint after the internal systems have been inspected, the panel is secured, the inspector seals the area with the sticker then stamps and initials it. When the panel is opened it will tear the sticker in half. Although some of them could last a long while (I've seen some still on A320 aircraft undergoing a 4C Check at 8 years!) for a military jet, especially a Navy one, I doubt they last very long considering the combination of supersonic speeds, environment/corrosion control and regular removal of certain panels. A post cruise repaint would also see them disappear since there'd be no reason to reapply them. Perhaps @Tailspin Turtle could confirm whether McDonnell did apply them? Probably the only F-4 left which may still have any left more or less intact would be FG.1 XT596 in the FAA Museum at Yeovilton. You can see them in this photo: https://www.airliners.net/photo/UK-Navy/McDonnell-F-4K-Phantom-FG1/1584511/L . Annoyingly I've been up close to the exhibit a couple of times but never had a camera on me. It's a shame that the model show is no more, it'd have been an ideal opportunity to have a proper look and take some close-up photos. Anyone going there in the near future that could have a look? It just goes to show that you can have a subject about which literally milliions of words have been written and still come across stuff you've never noticed before! Jonathan
  15. Thanks for the suggestion Dave, I'll have a look at the #107. I've sprayed some #311 FS36622 on one wing and I agree it's definitely far too grey. I'm also going to try some #316 FS17875 - at the very least it won't go to waste, I've got several F-4s that'll need it . Jonathan (with further apologies to Phil)
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