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Pauls9cb last won the day on May 28

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  1. Yes THAT red triplane.

    I was recently badgering the IWM on the subject of Triplane relics, unrelated to 425/17, and discovered that somewhere in the IWM archives, there's a fragment of fabric that is supposed to come from 425/17. Here's the link http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30089399 There's 4 different pics of the same fragment, all showing different shade variations of a much deteriorated section of covering and there's little evidence about the conditions of storage over the last century but my guess nobody worried too much about that back in 1918. Pic no 4 shows a brownish "undercoat" which I guess may be the doped linen finish having changed over time. I'm unsure where this fragment is kept (Lambeth/Duxford/elsewhere) but I understand it's possible to make an appointment to view it. Perhaps this is an input too far since there seems to have been many learned discussions over the colour of a famous Triplane. I think Beardie hit the nail on the head in his last post. Paul
  2. Yes THAT red triplane.

    I recently discovered while badgering the IWM on another Triplane relic that they have a sample of the red fabric from MvR's 425/17 in some perspex covering. I'm unsure which branch (Duxford/London) actually holds this and I guess the deterioration of the fabric/colour over time may not clarify all the questions posed in this thread. It's nevertheless been an illuminating read. If nothing else for me, it explains why the streaking camo that almost all Tripes had in the field was different from the finish on the first 3 pre-production machines (101/102/103/17) which were finished all over with light blue pigmented dope after the shrinking dope finish and before the olve green streaks were applied. Hence the later machines had the clear doped undersurface showing thought the olive green streaks, giving the later machines a browner appearance, accentauted by any covering of linseed oil/ffurther dope, compared to the "silver-blue" noted by some of the 56 Squadron pilots involved in Voss' final combat on 23/9/17. I'm sure most of you were aware of this, but I found this gave me a greater understanding. Paul
  3. BoB show Duxford.

    I also went Saturday but didn't wander through any of the hangars apart from the BoB No 4 which holds a special place for my interests. I went Sunday to Old Warden and R4118 was in the corner of one of the hangars there waiting for the head replacement part. The nicest/most novel parts of the Duxford display for me were John Romain's flights in the Blenheim (such a lovely a/c), the P-40 display (also very pretty in its polished ally) and the WW1 set. The latter was just about the only one that was slow enough for me to get some decent shots (I hope - still waiting to download these) 'cos my camera's not exactly the right tool to track the faster a/c. Good couple of days out. Duxford on Sunday must have been great. Paul
  4. Hi Troy, I'm sure I've seen a picture of Wade's Spitfire upside down on Lewes racecourse but I can't find it at the moment. I thought it was in that Battle over Sussex book which Andy Saunders co-authored many years ago bUt I checked (as I know you will have done) and it's not in there. From memory the pic is from the rear 3/4 view with the right side of the fuselage showing but I can't recall if the a/c code is visible which I doubt. As you know, pics of crashed British a/c are rare and the search for individual a/c codes normally frustrated. Squadron ops books tended not to show this sort of detail although I've found some squadrons did show these later in the war e.g. Belgian 349 Squadron. I face a similar quandry with my current project which is FO Donald "Butch" Taylor who was probably Helmut Wick's 14th abschuss while flying with the rest of 64 Squadron on convoy patrol over the Channel on 17th July 1940. Taylor was wounded but force landed his a/c near Hempstead Lane outside Hailsham and was taken to Princess Alice Hospital in Eastbourne. I'll probably end up taking pot luck on the a/c code which is a shame but seems unavoidable unless something else turns up. The video clip I mentioned I've been viewing is at https://britishpathe.com/video.spitfires-kenley-fighter-station. I looked at it earlier today but every time I've tried to view it again, the link has timed out. It's an interesting series of clips if you manage to open it, showing 64 Squadron Spits and Hurris of 615 Squadron, both of which were based at Kenley until the latter part of August 1940 when they were moved north. I'll keep looking for the Wade pic and let you know if it turns up. All the best - Paul
  5. Hi guys, Thanks for the input. The subject of my current project is an early Spit that was shot down locally in July 1940. I've found a British Pathe clip which shows the relevant squadron at Kenley before it was posted elsewhere. The movie clip is understandably a bit blurry but, as you suggested, the No 3 gun position seems to be covered over. I guess the Tamiya references for their kit must have been based on drawings of very early production runs. In any case, a bit of delicate surgery seems to be in order. Cheers Paul
  6. I'm remodelling a 1/48 scale Tamiya Spit 1 that I made some years back before I was bitten by the detail bug. I've reached the point where I'm about to simulate the red patches that were placed over the MG ports to reduce the icing effect of flying at angels 20+ on the Browning's operation. The Tamiya kit seems correctly to place the muzzles of the outer pair of Brownings forward of the leading edge, most noticeably on the No 3 guns in each wing with the No 4 guns almost within the curve of the leading edge. My query is how the No 3 gun was screened from the cold temps in the way that Nos 1 ,2 and possibly 4 would have been with the canvas patches that the ground crew normally applied. Anyone know? Many models I've seen seem to gloss over this with the No 3 guns apparently positioned as with the other guns. I've been unable to discern from contemporary pics and movie clips what the reality was in this respect. Too anoraky maybe? Anyone know? In a similar vein (almost), I've always wondered what happened to the spent cases and linkages from the fuselage MG 15 macine guns in the Bf 109 E series. The ammo boxes that held 1,000 rounds per gun wouldn't seem to have been a logical place to receive the ejected cases/linkages for a variety of reasons, mainly the potential for jams. I've failed to discover any ejection outlets for these items. I've seen a drawing of a Friedrich where these items end up in a compartment somewhere under the breaches of the guns, presumably accessed and emptied after each op via some panel between the wing undersides. There is a square panel beneath the wing centre section on the Emil series which may have been for that purpose among others. Anyone got any thoughts or detail on this? All the best Paul
  7. Always good to find one of the members who speaks the lingo. Very helpful and always makes us less accomplished linguists a bit frustrated. Paul
  8. 15th September 1940

    That's the problem with bad eyesight and limited attention span. Didn't spot that. By any measure, it's great work!!!!!
  9. 15th September 1940

    It's a very impressive result and I'm glad you explained the props blurring effect, although I'm right cheesed off I never bothered to get into Photoshop. My only thought on the extra-realism angle is that the crew had all bailed out before Ray Holmes chopped the tail off the Dornier so a few missing escape panels would perhaps have fitted the bill. Picky picky, I know but irrespective of all that, I think you've done a fantastic job with all the weathering of the Hurri and the damage to the Flying Pencil. Congrats well deserved. Paul
  10. Having just seen your canopy conundrum and the nice pics you included when you put that post up, it's quite "probable", unless proved otherwise, that neither of these E-3s had any head armour attached to the rear of the pilot's seat and the rear cockpit area. My understanding is that this armour tended to be field retro-fitted to the early E-3s, but became factory installations on the later E-4/7s. My guess is that you can make your own choice (it's a bit fiddly fitting the bracing struts that went from the rear of the armour plate to the side in the fixed rear canopy, particularly in 1/48 and more so in 1/72 scale) unless someone can come up with a pic to show you one way or another. Cheers Paul
  11. That's what you benefit from by buying 5 Airfix kits that are multi-variant. Great marketing ploy that maybe other manufacturers could copy. Paul
  12. Several asides on the background to Walter and Egon, none of which probably answer the questions you posed about why the a/c had the names they did or whether either pilot flew those a/c during the BoB. It does appear that III Gruppe / JG 3 a/c often had the names of wives/girlfriends applied somewhere or other. Walter was Gruppenkommandeur of III Gruppe / JG 3 with the Luftwaffe rank of Hauptmann (roughly equivalent to the RAF Flight Lieutenant). He took over III Gruppe in May 1940 and was replaced by Walter Balthasar on 1 Sept 1940. He would have led the Staff Flight of III Gruppe which would normally be 3-4 a/c comprising G/Kommandeur, G/Adjutant. G/Technical Officer and possibly ANOther. I can't find any history of his exploits over this period and doesn't show up at all in the Luftwaffe Claims list that I have. Like you, I can't make sense of his whereabouts/history. During the latter part of August, Goering was a bit peeved with many of the fighter commanders since they had failed to be aggressive enough to neutralise RAF Fighter Command, so he replaced the bulk of the commanders with younger and more aggressive commanders. I'm assuming that perhaps Walter Kienitz may have been one of the less aggressive ones on the basis that I can't find any record of him making any claims during his tenure as Gruppen Kommandeur of III Gruppe. Walter Balthasar was a completely different animal. It's also possible that Kienitz was killed or injured, but I can't find any reference to this. Egon Troha is a bit easier in some ways since he does appear in the claims list and he was shot down over Sheperdswell on 29 Oct. He's variously allotted 5 or 6 claims in the official lists, 3 before the end of August and 2 more (at least) after this. When he was shot down, he apparently wasn't flying his normal a/c (which may or may not have neen the same one you are modelling). The one he was shot down in was normally flown by Lt Franz Achleiter and all the decorations to that a/c were his rather than Troha's, including the name "Erika" painted in white next to the III Gruppe double headed battleaxe emblem. Frustratingly, this doesn't help track down the history of "Grace" or answer whether it was still operating during this part of the BoB. When Troha was shot down, he was StaffelKapitan of the 9th Staffel (III Gruppe comprised 7/8/9 Staffels). While he was Gruppe Adjutant of III Gruppe at the time your decals were applicable, the claims list shows him attached to all 3 of the Staffels in III Gruppe. By October 1940, he'd been promoted from Leutnant (Pilot Officer) to Oberleutnant (Flying Officer). All a bit irrelevant I guess but I took your post as a bit of a challenge. In any case, the build looks like it's going well and I'll keep track of it to see howzit going. You may find others out there with more interesting and relevant background. All the best - Paul
  13. What Color are Luftwaffe Cockpits?

    Prepare yourself for a raft of replies from a variety of people, as well as many inconsistencies. My take on this is that during the early years of the Luftwaffe's history, most of the a/c interiors were finshed in what the RLM (German air ministry) called grey green with the RLM code RLM 02. It's a bit ;ighter and greyer than RAF interior green. Instrument panels were either dark grey (can't recall the RLM code) or RLM 02. Later in the war, most of the fighter interiors were painted this same dark grey. I'm unsure about bombers and other a/c but, when in doubt, I usually opt for RLM 02 which can have variety in terms of tint. I guess it depends what a/c you're planning to build. I don't know the model master/humbrol references but I'm sure others will. Best of luck. Paul
  14. Hawker Hurricane, propellers and spinners, a modellers guide

    Hi Troy - I've been thinking of changing the prop on the 1:32 scale Hurricane I've posted, pretending to take the Revell kit that was its basis into something resembling a Mk 1 Hurricane that finished its operational career several feet under the ground near Tunbridge Wells at the beginning of Sept 1940. The prop assembly in the Revell kit is the type fitted to the Mk 11 which Revell used as the basis for the kit. I couldn't find a PCM kit at the time and until I went through this learned thread, I thought "who would notice?" I've tried to find a 1:32 scale de Havilland or Rotol prop for either Spitfires or Hurricanes but have had no luck. Do you know where such a rarity might be found or is it back to scratch building? Any help much appreciated. Paul
  15. Nick - You have the patience of a saint and modelling skills that leave most of us gaping. I'm a newbie to the BM site, although I got back in the modelling groove a dozen years ago. Among the projects I completed since then was the Hachette 1:8 scale Triplane which a mate had started but lost interest in. The Hasegawa kit seems to be slightly better on detail than the Hachette offering but both kits take the easy but innacurate route on lots of the detail stuff. Being obsessed with "accurate" detailing, I soon discovered how sketchy and innaccurate the basic Hachette kit was, with the result that I bodged a load of scratch built add-ons and relacement bits to try to steer the finished article towards something like the real thing in "miniature". There's a post on BM with various pics of the completed model. My efforts don't compare with what you've accomplished, but I guess the sheer size of a 1:8 scale Triplane mindboggles most people who look at it. In my eyes, yours is a real triumph against adversity! Paul