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Pauls9cb last won the day on May 28

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  1. Iii./jg2 fw190 a8 scheme - another question

    Hi again Lawzer - I think I stand corrected on the ejection chutes for the FW 190, confirming the unlikely green status of the Luftwaffe during WW2. I have to admit to being fascinated mainly by BoB subjects which exclude Kurt Tank's very effective machine. I've made a Tamiya 190 A-3 as one of the Jabos that were shot down in 1943 near where I live. This, like many of these Jabos, had the u/c inner retractable panels removed, together with the centre section panel where your A-8 shows the recesses for the fuselage MG 131 ejection chutes. I've dug into the spares box and found among the many bits of plastic that were redundant for my subject the bit from the Tamiya kit that was probably for this ejection function. I'm pretty sure though that the Messerschmitt method, both for E and F models, was as shown in Mihulec's book, although that's not really relevant to your project. I suppose my earlier comment was as much responding to Big X's comment as anything. Apologies for any red herrings flying about, whatever the variant. Cheers. Paul
  2. Iii./jg2 fw190 a8 scheme - another question

    Hi Lawzer - IMHO it's not wholly correct to suggest that spent shells were all retained on board after firing. Just check out all the early Bf 109 E and F variants on which there is abundant references with pedigree. Where it may be correct (I'm interested in any opinions on this) is that the cowling weapons on Bf 109s (and I imagine also FW 190s) ejected their spent cartridges into tanks spaces adjacent to the wing root and forward of the engine firewall which were presumably emptied after landing. Robert Mihulec's Bf 109 F book (MMBBooks Yellow Series No 6133 - ISBN 978-83-61421-75-7) has a drawing on pages 123 and 126 which claim to come from the a/c manual showing this arrangement. With no apparent ejection ports under the fuselages of Bf 109 Es or FW 190s, I would bet the spent case arrangement for the fuselage weapons on these a/c was the same or similar to this. The wing guns are a different matter. I think all wing weapons originally fitted wiithin the wing structure of all these fighters had ejection chutes on the underside surfaces. Some variants of the FW 190 A-F series had either the inner or outer cannons removed for operational reasons, but I'm not sure what would have happened to the ejection chutes for the weapons that were removed - probably stayed there. I'm always ready to hear different opinions, but that seems right to me. I'm no expert specifically on the Rammjagers so can't help any more on them. Perhaps Troy has some photo references that show one of these from below. I haven't got any. Lots of luck though - all the A-F 190s are among my favourite Jagdwaffe subjects. I can't imagine a "green" faction existed anywhere in the Third Reich but who knows? Paul
  3. Thanks for giving this all the once over chaps. I agree with Polo about the oil stains on the panels underneath the engine bay. Fortunately, these were final "improvements", about which I was never too convinced, done in oil paint and I've since removed the dribbly bits. Comments always welcome. I hope the next project doesn''t take as long as this one did, mainly for family reasons. Paul
  4. Almost 50 years after my first modelling experiences as a teenager, I chose to re-engage in this past-time to get a better understanding of how various aircraft looked that became casualties around my home town near Eastbourne in Sussex. While this drew me more towards Luftwaffe subjects since they were easier to find photo references, I soon decided that I needed to add some RAF fighters to the mix. One of the first that I built was an OOB Tamiya Spitfire Mk 1 depicting a 92 Squadron aircraft flown by Don Kingaby who soon gained a reputation as a 109 killer. The result of that effort is shown in the last of the pics attached to this post, a model that has sat on the shelf in my study and which I became increasingly disenchanted with my skill and detail level, as well as the way the decals seemed to lose colour, particularly the red and yellow areas. So, some months ago, I embarked on a reworking of that model, aimed at portraying an aircraft that was an early casualty during the BoB. This subject is Mk 1 Spitfire P9507 which arguably became the 14th victim to succumb to the aggressive tactics of Leutnant Helmut Wick of 3/JG 2. The Spitfire was flown by P/O Donald Murray Taylor on one of several patrols conducted by his 64 Squadron on the 17th of July 1940, many of which were part of the RAF’s efforts to protect coastal traffic through the Channel. Gaining local air superiority over the Channel and interrupting Britain’s coastal shipping was the initial primary target of Goering’s Luftwaffe after the fall of France in June 1940, a prelude to any potential of Britain’s invasion that may have followed. Near Beachy Head, Wick and his wingmen, Franz Fiby, pounced on Murray’s a/c, which was acting as weaver for the rest of the squadron on patrol. Murray was probably unaware of the attack until Wick’s gunfire smashed into the aircraft, wounding him pilot in the head, body and both right limbs, as well as seriously damaging the a/c. Murray managed to bring his faltering a/c onto a field on Welbury Farm, on the outskirts of Hailsham, a small market town a few miles north of Beachy Head. Donald Murray was lifted from the wrecked plane and taken to Princess Alice Hospital in nearby Eastbourne. His injuries were such that he was able to return to operations with 64 Squadron on the 3rd of September 1940 and he remained in the RAF until after the end of hostilities in 1945. The model was an interesting proposition and I was determined to make a better fist of it than my initial effort more than 10 years ago. First job was removing all the delicate bits that my untidy work practice would undoubtedly destroy, many of which were eventually devoured by the insatiable beast covering the floor. Among these lost items were the radio antenna, all the clear parts (don’t ask me why), the B&S gunsight lens and the pitot arrangement. All good clean fun to replace. Next was the removal of all the decal markings from under their clear varnish, a job that left me confused and frustrated since, despite careful sanding with fine grit flour paper, various delicate panel lines were lost and had to be amateurishly re-scribed. So then, what would P9507 have looked like? As one of 200 early Spitfires from Eastleigh from I decided the a/c would probably be covered with a “B” pattern camouflage on the top surfaces, with the under-surface painted in one of the early Sky shades. It was a bit of a toss up as to whether there would have been roundels under the wings, but the timing suggested probably not. I then came across a Pathe News clip of Spitfires and Hurricanes operating out of Kenley sometime while 64 Squadron was based there. Having been involved over France with the BEF until Dunkirk, the squadron was rested further north later in August, so this was an interesting clip, identifying various details that I probably would have ignored. Among these were the gunsight bead in front of the header tank filling cap, the unusual (?) rear-view mirror arrangement and the markings, both national and squadron. It also appeared that the a/c registration number on all the a/c evident had all been over-painted. Amazing what you can find if you look hard enough! A few additional details I thought worth a go, so I also added u/c indicator rods on the wing top surfaces, seat belts, seat armour, canopy release handle and the antenna fitting on top of the vertical stabiliser (courtesy of pics of P9374). Well! All that was probably at the beginning of 2017 and my sporadic time management issues have meant that I’ve only recently got the model to the state shown in the attached pictures. Apologies to all those who like their models factory fresh. It seemed to me that 64 Squadron were having a busy time over the June/July period, so the a/c would have looked a bit knocked about. On the 17th of July, the squadron OB shows 6 different patrols were launched (not all full squadron strength) with Murray’s a/c force landing at 1400 hours during the 3rd sortie of the day. Always difficult to decide when enough weathering/staining is enough. This is how the same model looked in 2007. Good enough for me then but reading all your skilfull RFI posts, this looked a bit rudimentary, OOB with faded decals.
  5. Eduard Bf 109 E-1 2/JG26 1/48

    Simple, but quite effective. I'm always likely to over-complicate this soort of detail with the usual less satisfactory result. Good job yours though. Paul
  6. Eduard Bf 109 E-1 2/JG26 1/48

    Great looking early pattern 109! Are the aerial insulators just dabs of glue painted white to simulate these often-omitted details? I always have a problem getting these to look right in the scale I'm working on. Like the weathering too. Paul
  7. Gotta love Fokker's Tripes. I'm in a WW 1 mood now, but usually do BoB subjects. Can't decide whether I have the space for a WnW 1/32 collection (where's their Dr1?) or should I plump for a 1/48 scale series from Eduard or others who've released a range in this scale. Nice amount of detail on yours though. I think you put the Fokker spec plate on the wrong side of the cowling. It's normally on the right (starb oard) side. Great build though and suggests to me that I can avoid the expense of WnW kits. Paul
  8. 6./St G 1 staffel shield colours

    I was equally confused when I was choosing the Staffel emblem for the Airfix 1:24 scale Ju 87 that I'd decided would be a theoretical a/c from 6 /Stg 1. I relied on Peter Smith's Luftwaffe Colours book which suggested the background was white even though the Staffel colour for the individual a/c was yellow.It never occurred to me that the unit emblem was yellow even though it's pretty impossible to tell from the contemporary pics. I was rather aggrieved when I later saw some decals with the blue background which I think was the case with 7/Stg 1. Anyway, since there didn't appear to be 1:24 scale unit emblems of any of these Staffeln so I had to make my own. By that time, I wasn't interested in changing the background colour so my vote stays with the white background. Flickr seems down at the moment but you can see the pictures of this model if you're interested under Airfix 1:24 Scale 1940 Ju 87 B Paul
  9. Yes THAT red triplane.

    I was recently badgering the IWM on the subject of Triplane relics, unrelated to 425/17, and discovered that somewhere in the IWM archives, there's a fragment of fabric that is supposed to come from 425/17. Here's the link http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30089399 There's 4 different pics of the same fragment, all showing different shade variations of a much deteriorated section of covering and there's little evidence about the conditions of storage over the last century but my guess nobody worried too much about that back in 1918. Pic no 4 shows a brownish "undercoat" which I guess may be the doped linen finish having changed over time. I'm unsure where this fragment is kept (Lambeth/Duxford/elsewhere) but I understand it's possible to make an appointment to view it. Perhaps this is an input too far since there seems to have been many learned discussions over the colour of a famous Triplane. I think Beardie hit the nail on the head in his last post. Paul
  10. Yes THAT red triplane.

    I recently discovered while badgering the IWM on another Triplane relic that they have a sample of the red fabric from MvR's 425/17 in some perspex covering. I'm unsure which branch (Duxford/London) actually holds this and I guess the deterioration of the fabric/colour over time may not clarify all the questions posed in this thread. It's nevertheless been an illuminating read. If nothing else for me, it explains why the streaking camo that almost all Tripes had in the field was different from the finish on the first 3 pre-production machines (101/102/103/17) which were finished all over with light blue pigmented dope after the shrinking dope finish and before the olve green streaks were applied. Hence the later machines had the clear doped undersurface showing thought the olive green streaks, giving the later machines a browner appearance, accentauted by any covering of linseed oil/ffurther dope, compared to the "silver-blue" noted by some of the 56 Squadron pilots involved in Voss' final combat on 23/9/17. I'm sure most of you were aware of this, but I found this gave me a greater understanding. Paul
  11. BoB show Duxford.

    I also went Saturday but didn't wander through any of the hangars apart from the BoB No 4 which holds a special place for my interests. I went Sunday to Old Warden and R4118 was in the corner of one of the hangars there waiting for the head replacement part. The nicest/most novel parts of the Duxford display for me were John Romain's flights in the Blenheim (such a lovely a/c), the P-40 display (also very pretty in its polished ally) and the WW1 set. The latter was just about the only one that was slow enough for me to get some decent shots (I hope - still waiting to download these) 'cos my camera's not exactly the right tool to track the faster a/c. Good couple of days out. Duxford on Sunday must have been great. Paul
  12. Hi Troy, I'm sure I've seen a picture of Wade's Spitfire upside down on Lewes racecourse but I can't find it at the moment. I thought it was in that Battle over Sussex book which Andy Saunders co-authored many years ago bUt I checked (as I know you will have done) and it's not in there. From memory the pic is from the rear 3/4 view with the right side of the fuselage showing but I can't recall if the a/c code is visible which I doubt. As you know, pics of crashed British a/c are rare and the search for individual a/c codes normally frustrated. Squadron ops books tended not to show this sort of detail although I've found some squadrons did show these later in the war e.g. Belgian 349 Squadron. I face a similar quandry with my current project which is FO Donald "Butch" Taylor who was probably Helmut Wick's 14th abschuss while flying with the rest of 64 Squadron on convoy patrol over the Channel on 17th July 1940. Taylor was wounded but force landed his a/c near Hempstead Lane outside Hailsham and was taken to Princess Alice Hospital in Eastbourne. I'll probably end up taking pot luck on the a/c code which is a shame but seems unavoidable unless something else turns up. The video clip I mentioned I've been viewing is at https://britishpathe.com/video.spitfires-kenley-fighter-station. I looked at it earlier today but every time I've tried to view it again, the link has timed out. It's an interesting series of clips if you manage to open it, showing 64 Squadron Spits and Hurris of 615 Squadron, both of which were based at Kenley until the latter part of August 1940 when they were moved north. I'll keep looking for the Wade pic and let you know if it turns up. All the best - Paul
  13. Hi guys, Thanks for the input. The subject of my current project is an early Spit that was shot down locally in July 1940. I've found a British Pathe clip which shows the relevant squadron at Kenley before it was posted elsewhere. The movie clip is understandably a bit blurry but, as you suggested, the No 3 gun position seems to be covered over. I guess the Tamiya references for their kit must have been based on drawings of very early production runs. In any case, a bit of delicate surgery seems to be in order. Cheers Paul
  14. I'm remodelling a 1/48 scale Tamiya Spit 1 that I made some years back before I was bitten by the detail bug. I've reached the point where I'm about to simulate the red patches that were placed over the MG ports to reduce the icing effect of flying at angels 20+ on the Browning's operation. The Tamiya kit seems correctly to place the muzzles of the outer pair of Brownings forward of the leading edge, most noticeably on the No 3 guns in each wing with the No 4 guns almost within the curve of the leading edge. My query is how the No 3 gun was screened from the cold temps in the way that Nos 1 ,2 and possibly 4 would have been with the canvas patches that the ground crew normally applied. Anyone know? Many models I've seen seem to gloss over this with the No 3 guns apparently positioned as with the other guns. I've been unable to discern from contemporary pics and movie clips what the reality was in this respect. Too anoraky maybe? Anyone know? In a similar vein (almost), I've always wondered what happened to the spent cases and linkages from the fuselage MG 15 macine guns in the Bf 109 E series. The ammo boxes that held 1,000 rounds per gun wouldn't seem to have been a logical place to receive the ejected cases/linkages for a variety of reasons, mainly the potential for jams. I've failed to discover any ejection outlets for these items. I've seen a drawing of a Friedrich where these items end up in a compartment somewhere under the breaches of the guns, presumably accessed and emptied after each op via some panel between the wing undersides. There is a square panel beneath the wing centre section on the Emil series which may have been for that purpose among others. Anyone got any thoughts or detail on this? All the best Paul
  15. Always good to find one of the members who speaks the lingo. Very helpful and always makes us less accomplished linguists a bit frustrated. Paul