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  1. You can't really be dogmatic about colours derived from a photograph... too many variables such as lighting, type of film, processing, storage, exposure, display monitor variances, enhancements, etc., etc. For example, here is the same photo from two different sites. Each, on its own, might look "acceptable", but comparing the two... Bob
  2. Actually, the colours on the Memphis Belle impersonator are quite good... for a factory fresh finish. You can see what the real Memphis Belle looked like in this wartime documentary (which in my opinion is a much better film that the silly Hollywood version).
  3. Ooops!... sorry for the multiple posts. I meant to fire a single shot, but the mouse was set on full auto! Bob
  4. We have a couple of Jimmy Stewart's aircraft on our decal sheets! The Stars in the Sky sheet (unfortunately now out of print) contains one of Jimmy's B-24s, along with aircraft of Sabu, Clark Gable, and Gene Roddenberry. The More Stars in the Sky sheet has another Jimmy Stewart B-24 as well as aircraft of Clark Gable, Dan Rowan, and Ted Williams. Bob
  5. Hi, rossm! Unless you have definitive proof of insignia blue for a particular aircraft, black should be fine, as it was also used. To quote from T.O. 1-1-4: 3-16. GENERAL SPECIFICATION FOR USAF STANDARD IDENTIFICATION MARKRIGS FOR AIR- CRAFT AND MISSILES. Vertical Block (Chamfered Gothic) type letters and arabic numerals shall be used when applying identification markings. See figure 3-3 for construction of letters and numerals. Unless otherwise specified herein, insignia blue, Color No. 15044, will be used on aluminized or white surfaces; either gloss enamel, Specification MIL-E-??29, or lacquer, Specification MIL-L-19537, is acceptable. Gloss black, Color No, 1?038, may be used as a substitute for the insignia b1ue. Insignia white, Color No. 178?5, will be used on red finishes. Insignia red, Color No. 11136, will be used on black finishes. I suspect that black was probably the more widespread, as it was undoubtedly the more common colour held in a unit's stock of paints. Bob
  6. That's right. Interestingly enough, though, the F-89 is included in the collection of aircraft specs and diagrams in the 1964 T.O. 1-1-4. The 'J' model was used by ANG units through 1969... by which time the 'D' models would have been long gone.
  7. I have copies of T.O. 1-1-4 in its 1964 and 1994 iterations. (see scan excerpts below) According the the earlier version the colour for "conspicuity" markings should be ANA 633. This is roughly equivalent to FS 28913, fluorescent red-orange. By 1994 it had been changed to FS 12197, International Orange. However, I must admit that I, too, have seen markings which appear to be in a darker red, so perhaps earlier practices differed. Bob
  8. Without knowing the kit or instruction sheet, I suspect the SLATE GREY is supposed to represent RLM 02. Would Tamiya AS29 be close? (I'm just going by an on-screen image... never seen it it person)
  9. Look at the lighting. The light is at a VERY low angle to the wing surface. This will accentuate even the smallest variation in texture with highlight and shadow. Like walking along at sunrise or sundown and casting an extremely long shadow.
  10. Sure... BP-30 is based on the colour photo shown above - and here again. The darker ANA colour was adopted in 1939, but stocks of the old colours were to be used up first... and the trainers were'nt repainted just because a new standard was adopted, so Light Blue 23 aircraft would have soldiered on until they needed refinishing. In another thread someone asked if it might be colourized. I don't believe so. The photo is credited as a City of Mesa, Arizona photo, and I can't see them colourizing images from their official archive. I'm sure it's just an old photo that has faded and shifted over the years. The Arizona climate probably wasn't kind to the actual aircraft finishes either! Now for the US Navy N2S-4. That aircraft was built for the USAAF, complete with USAAF colours, but then delivered to the Navy to fulfil its contract. Here's a photo of it after it pranged compared with an official Boeing (Stearman) photo of an aircraft in the obviously darker blue. Bob
  11. Hi, Will! I don't think it's a red outline because the insignia red should appear darker. Also, when the red surround came into effect it was as part of the star & bar format. So there would be no need to add the un-outlined white bar, as the bar would already be there, outlined in red. I considered that the photo of BP-30 might be colourized. However, it's credited to the city of Mesa, Arizona, and I can't see them colourizing photographs in their official archive. Even if it were colourized, the fuselage is still too light to be "True Blue". Bob
  12. It's not odd at all. While the USAAF trainer scheme started out as blue fuselage with yellow wings, around mid 1942 it was changed to overall aluminum (either natural metal or painted, as applicable). The insignia was still the star-in-a-circle format. When camouflage or other colours are applied to an aluminum aircraft it's quite common to leave a thin aluminum border around the insignia. This is often seen even today when e.g. arctic red or high-viz day-glo areas have been applied to aircraft surfaces. So, the outline to the insignia blue disc is an outline of the original aluminum finish. Later, when the insignia bars were promulgated, they were applied on top of the existing finish right up to the blue disc. No additional blue outlines were added. A misinterpretation of the markings orders? Perhaps... this was not uncommon. I interpreted the colours as dark green/dark earth camouflage colours based on the appearance of various black & white photos plus some common sense deduction of what the colours could and could not be. For example, while the pattern may be reminiscent of weathered Medium Green 42 on Olive Drab, there's just way too much contrast. Now, whether it was actual duPont paint that was used, RAF stocks, Chinese green (not even sure what that specs as!), or something acquired from a local general store, I believe the object was to emulate the colours of the resident fighter aircraft at the base. The lighter colour would not be the original overall trainer finish. The only finishes the USAAF trainers appeared in were the blue/yellow scheme, and overall aluminum. If it were yellow, the outline to the wing insignia would have been left yellow, but it's a noticeably lighter colour. (And a green aircraft with yellow splotches seems to defeat the purpose of camouflaging it!) Incidentally, here's a colour photo of a camouflaged Stearman at Kunming. Unfortunately we can't see much of it. It may or may not be the same aircraft. If so, it must have been taken before the white bars were added, as on the wing upper surface it runs right to the tip, and would be visible. Bob
  13. I don't know how much this will help, but these photos may clarify things a bit... especially for those who are unfamiliar with the two blues being discussed here. First is a scan of part of the Monogram colour chip book showing the early Blue 23 and the later darker blue, often called "True Blue". Nit-pickers please note that these were scanned from chips that had been mixed to match originals, and not original chips. Also while these look OK on my monitor, appearance may vary slightly on yours. Next is an old photo of aircraft BP-30. The photo is old and faded, and the colour has shifted a bit. Undoubtedly the aircraft itself has faded and weathered in the Arizona sun as well. And finally here's an official Boeing (Stearman) photo showing a line-up of multi-national aircraft, some of which use the later darker (True) blue finish. What would I use for Blue 23? Well, I would first find the best representation of the colour, be it an FS 595 chart or a commercial colour chart. Then I would go to a dealer in automotive paints that can match the colour with a small quantity of paint or a spray can. In fact, that's exactly what I did.
  14. I suggest a good introduction to what this aerial combat was like for the bomber crew is to watch "The Memphis Belle". Not the ridiculous Hollywood film, but the original 40 minute wartime documentary. Sure it's wartime propaganda, but at least it was filmed 'live and on location', as they say. (Some interesting colour and markings info too!) Bob
  15. Our "Early P-40s & Tomahawks" sheet has AH882 as well as some other neat schemes... including a natural metal bird. It's available in 1/48 and also 1/72 (with an additional scheme). www.iliad-design.com Bob