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Connie Prototype Colours Help Wanted.


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As I can't get the MATS decals for my heller C121A I thought about plan B.

Modelling the prototype NX25600. seems removing the astrodome and deicing equipment is the major mod.

The things I am not clear about are the colours.

This is the only pic I can find.

http://www.zoggavia.com/c_n_1961.html

I am presuming olive drab for upper surfaces and it looks like a kharki tip to the nose?

What do you recon to the undersides,also props and spinners look black with yellow tips?

I would like to build it with flaps down what do you think aluminium for them?

So any help on the above would be great.

Thanks Paul

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You are correct for the colors, BUT the original Constellation had the USAAF designation C-69, the C-121 was a different airframe due to lengthening the fuselage approximately 11 feet

C-121 length 116ft

C-69 length 95 ft

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Think you'll find C-121A was same length as the civvie L-749 - 95'2"

<wanders off to dig out some photo's of prototype>

Iain

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Not sure where you got those figures from, but the prototype, all production C-69s, and all civilian Connies up through the L-749 had the exact same fuselage length. The only difference would be those C-121s that were retrofitted with weather radar in the 1950s. The C-69s on the assembly line at the end of the war were completed as L-049s for the airlines.

The war-era C-69s were standard USAAF Olive Drab over Neutral Gray. The entire exterior surfaces of the flaps would have been painted, no bare metal showing anywhere. The nose was likely just a raw fibreglass color (off white/tan) for the beam approach system antennas.

Note that the Heller kit is an L-749 (mostly), which has completely different engine nacelles from the 049. I believe Ha-Hen Models makes (or made) an 049 conversion set. I know someone did at one point. The props in Heller kit are comically huge. Early Connies had very slim prop blades.

J

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You are correct for the colors, BUT the original Constellation had the USAAF designation C-69, the C-121 was a different airframe due to lengthening the fuselage approximately 11 feet

C-121 length 116ft

C-69 length 95 ft

Thanks Chuck a rapid measure of a fusalage half and conversion from metric to imperial measurements gives me 95 feet. So I am still good to go with this. FYO it is the short nosed Connie with the Heller box saying "C-121A Constellation 'Berlin' kit no 80382 So I think C69 it is despite the box description.

Thank you for your help with the colours also.

Any further help with this mod will be greatfully recieved as I am flying blind with this one!

Best Wishes

Paul

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my error, I thought the C-121 was based on the L1049 which had a fuselage length of 116 feet.

And you wouldn't be wrong - but the 'A' model had the shorter fuse :)

Keep them coming though I am really up for this conversion

Paul

Good man Paul - one of histories most beautiful aeroplanes IMHO :)

Have quite a bit of stuff on the Connie (it's a bit of an obsession ;) as I'm building one in 1:32 - see link below) - will see what I can dig out.

Iain

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my error, I thought the C-121 was based on the L1049 which had a fuselage length of 116 feet.

It depends what kind of C-121 you're talking about. Some were short fuselage birds and some were long fuselage birds. The C-69 designation wasn't used post-war (for some reason). It got changed to C-121A when the USAF bought some L-749s in the late 1940s. They just added letters, not bothering to change the "121" designation when Lockheed started building 1049s.

:)

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